Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I can see that a lot of posters area already getting defensive and jumping on me even though I never said I would support it, only that I'm worried about my boys and what the younger generations have to look forward to in this country given the current state of affairs.

I think that everything you're worried about in Canada also exists in the U.S., and in many cases is far worse. They're living under a fascist oligarchy down there.

You also have to consider the major difference in social safety nets. I'm sure your boys are healthy and secure now, but what happens if they run into health problems or fall on hard times? What's their skin colour like? Are they at risk of being detained and deported based on their physical attributes? These are questions we don't even have to consider in Canada for the most part.

It's much better to be rich in the U.S. than it is in Canada, but it's far better to be poor or middle-class in Canada than it is in the U.S.

[Drak]

The “current state of affairs” is the Canada is broken BS. Hostility is advocating our country be broken up and join the shtshow down south. You’re not a victim of the responses you’re receiving.

[sketchyt]

It's amazing/alarming to me how many people I've come across clutching pearls about how terrible Canada is or will be while sitting in six-figure-plus of home equity and salary, drive new vehicles paid in cash, yet have never lived a truly bad time of their lives.

On the whole, Canadians (including myself) are hilariously spoiled relative to the rest of the world.

[Muta]

I'm still trying to understand how some people (re: conservative voters) see our country as some kind of hellhole because the Liberals are in federal power. My life in Calgary rarely changes when it's its a Liberal or Conservative federal government. I still have the mountains, I still go out to restaurants here and there, I still see family and friends, and I'm still gainfully employed regardless of what bozo is in Parliament in Ottawa. If they are referring to oil and gas, there are tons of people in this city and province that have made great money, and continue to make great money, in that industry. The industry can be volatile, but life has been incredibly good to those people overall - regardless of federal government.

Some people really need to step away from their monitors, go outside, and enjoy life. We have it REALLY ####ing sweet here in Canada. Other people would give their lives to have the lifestyle that we enjoy here as Canadians - government included.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Do you see Canada as broken? It sure sounds like it. I struggle to see where this comes from based on actual facts. Not manipulated stuff that gets peddled as fact by people motivated to convince you Canada is broken. I think you've just been swallowed by a perspective built on false narratives.


Canada has it's challenges, as it always has. Yes, some are self inflicted, some are "unsolvable", and some are external. But we've never failed to navigate through these and while we are far from perfect, what we do have as a country is remarkable, and I see no evidence that we are at risk of losing that beyond the politicians who seem dead set on taking it away with their tantrums.


Really, how do you picture Canada in 10 or 20 years if we continue the course with rational centrist/left leaning governments? Where is this doom and gloom and how bad do you see it getting to sit back, look south, and consider "ya, that's probably better"? I just think the BS about Canada being broken and needing all this drastic nonsense to fix it is doing far more harm than whatever fear people have about the future, but I guess fear is a powerful motivator, particularly when it can be manufactured based on ephemeral wisps of reality.

I think the last few months has been an eye opener for where Canada really stands in the world. The US president has openly mocked us and threatened to annex us while the rest of the world basically sat on their hands and looked the other way. We are a divided nation that's truly on our own. That's not good. However I think what this can be turned into a major positive if Canadians become receptive to working together rather than against each other which is easier said than done given Alberta and Quebec's history of unhappiness. Many of you haven't accepted that the consensus of this forum does not align with a lot of Albertans and that's not going to change as long as a majority of Albertans continue to believe we get the short end of the stick. That's a problem and maybe someone like Nenshi can bridge that gap if he was leading the province but the federal government is going to have to make some decisions for the country that may not align with Quebec and that's another hang up. Are Quebecers going to be able to put some of their issues aside for the greater of the country? I hope so and there's been some positive movement there but this country really isn't large enough to have such division. I'm still a proud Canadian but I'm getting tired of the infighting and division and I'm hoping that Trump has actually given us the kick in the rear we needed to start working together. I think/hope Carney truly is striving to unify this country as that's music to my ears but much easier said than done but I'm pulling for it.

[sa226]

It really depends what demographic you and your family fits into as well. As I've aged, what I care about has definitely changed.

As a young family that uses the health care system more than I thought I would, as well as having kids that are just entering the education system, I'd like to slap Marlaina right in her stupid face.

The graph above shows it pretty clearly. Ideology is killing people.

But aside from the obvious of the past few months Federal politics doesn't affect my day to day nearly as much.

I think that goes for a lot of people.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Here's the thing.

If you want to consider becoming the 51st state. Go for it. Especially now where the US seems open to it. Why not weigh the pros and cons.

Frankly you'd be foolish not to.

That said, once you've done that I don't see how you'd come up with any conclusion upon reflection other than "f*** no!"

But yes, show your work. That's fine.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think the last few months has been an eye opener for where Canada really stands in the world. The US president has openly mocked us and threatened to annex us while the rest of the world basically sat on their hands and looked the other way. We are a divided nation that's truly on our own. That's not good. However I think what this can be turned into a major positive if Canadians become receptive to working together rather than against each other which is easier said than done given Alberta and Quebec's history of unhappiness. Many of you haven't accepted that the consensus of this forum does not align with a lot of Albertans and that's not going to change as long as a majority of Albertans continue to believe we get the short end of the stick. That's a problem and maybe someone like Nenshi can bridge that gap if he was leading the province but the federal government is going to have to make some decisions for the country that may not align with Quebec and that's another hang up. Are Quebecers going to be able to put some of their issues aside for the greater of the country? I hope so and there's been some positive movement there but this country really isn't large enough to have such division. I'm still a proud Canadian but I'm getting tired of the infighting and division and I'm hoping that Trump has actually given us the kick in the rear we needed to start working together. I think/hope Carney truly is striving to unify this country as that's music to my ears but much easier said than done but I'm pulling for it.

Did Trump threaten to annex Canada because we're "broken", or because he's Trump and he does all manner of unpredictable things. Cause I'd lean to the latter.

[Drak]

Having a conversation about advocating for the destruction of our country is not normal and needs to be hit hard with the criticism it’s receiving. Think about who is pushing this Canada is broken messaging and why. Because it lies in their interests. Not yours.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

It's amazing/alarming to me how many people I've come across clutching pearls about how terrible Canada is or will be while sitting in six-figure-plus of home equity and salary, drive new vehicles paid in cash, yet have never lived a truly bad time of their lives.

On the whole, Canadians (including myself) are hilariously spoiled relative to the rest of the world.

nailed it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think that everything you're worried about in Canada also exists in the U.S., and in many cases is far worse. They're living under a fascist oligarchy down there.

You also have to consider the major difference in social safety nets. I'm sure your boys are healthy and secure now, but what happens if they run into health problems or fall on hard times? What's their skin colour like? Are they at risk of being detained and deported based on their physical attributes? These are questions we don't even have to consider in Canada for the most part.

It's much better to be rich in the U.S. than it is in Canada, but it's far better to be poor or middle-class in Canada than it is in the U.S.

I totally agree and I already know this. The big picture of my thinking is that Canada is a large country via land mass but pretty small in the big picture of where you can live and work. The US affords so much more opportunity to live where you like and pursue a career you may like and that comes with a massive population. For every person that says they did the USA and hated it there's Canadians living there and loving it as I know many that I went to school with and visit. It's just something I think about at times and doesn't mean I want Canada to join the USA especially at the present time with buffoons running that country. If I wanted to live in the USA so bad I could have moved to Pittsburgh or New Jersey long ago as the job opportunities are always there for me with my company so clearly it's not something I fancy nor is it something I would vote for. Just something I think about sometimes. I didn't think it would elicit the level of hostility here but IMO that's a reflection on those posters. Responses like yours and Fuz was more along the lines of what I was expecting, not people calling me a traitor, etc.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Torture

Did Trump threaten to annex Canada because we're "broken", or because he's Trump and he does all manner of unpredictable things. Cause I'd lean to the latter.

I think he sensed weakness with the incumbent government tanking in the polls which means lots of unhappy Canadians and I do believe that the USA would love to have our land mass and resources for a variety of reasons. He just happened to come out and say what plenty in the US government have been thinking for some time. Like I said before, this should be a wakeup call for this country and provinces to start working together as we can't just assume that things will eventually settle down when Trump is gone, that all will be better.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I totally agree and I already know this. The big picture of my thinking is that Canada is a large country via land mass but pretty small in the big picture of where you can live and work. The US affords so much more opportunity to live where you like and pursue a career you may like and that comes with a massive population. For every person that says they did the USA and hated it there's Canadians living there and loving it as I know many that I went to school with and visit. It's just something I think about at times and doesn't mean I want Canada to join the USA especially at the present time with buffoons running that country. If I wanted to live in the USA so bad I could have moved to Pittsburgh or New Jersey long ago as the job opportunities are always there for me with my company so clearly it's not something I fancy nor is it something I would vote for. Just something I think about sometimes. I didn't think it would elicit the level of hostility here but IMO that's a reflection on those posters. Responses like yours and Fuz was more along the lines of what I was expecting, not people calling me a traitor, etc.

Trump is just a symptom. The buffoons are the electorate that chose him twice. Americans have shown us who they are, we should believe them.

[Drak]

He didn't “sense” weakness. A conservative government is totally on board with the plan. See Smith and mini Trump. Look at the anti Canadian propaganda they spew. You’re a victim of it and its purpose. It’s pretty ####ed up that someone toying with the idea a few pages back is now calling for Canada to wake up.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Just something I think about sometimes. I didn't think it would elicit the level of hostility here but IMO that's a reflection on those posters. Responses like yours and Fuz was more along the lines of what I was expecting, not people calling me a traitor, etc.

The response you got is also a reflection on you, whether you’re able to acknowledge that or not.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Many of you haven't accepted that the consensus of this forum does not align with a lot of Albertans and that's not going to change as long as a majority of Albertans continue to believe we get the short end of the stick.

Is that the RoC's fault, or Alberta's fault for being so easily duped by charlatans like Smith, whose entire political livelihood depends on creating these perceived rifts?

[Drak]

Playing with the idea of destroying our country is treasonous. That’s the definition of it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I totally agree and I already know this. The big picture of my thinking is that Canada is a large country via land mass but pretty small in the big picture of where you can live and work. The US affords so much more opportunity to live where you like and pursue a career you may like and that comes with a massive population. For every person that says they did the USA and hated it there's Canadians living there and loving it as I know many that I went to school with and visit. It's just something I think about at times and doesn't mean I want Canada to join the USA especially at the present time with buffoons running that country. If I wanted to live in the USA so bad I could have moved to Pittsburgh or New Jersey long ago as the job opportunities are always there for me with my company so clearly it's not something I fancy nor is it something I would vote for. Just something I think about sometimes. I didn't think it would elicit the level of hostility here but IMO that's a reflection on those posters. Responses like yours and Fuz was more along the lines of what I was expecting, not people calling me a traitor, etc.

Not thinking that anybody would feel passionately or even existentially about this topic is brain dead stuff.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Drak

Playing with the idea of destroying our country is treasonous. That’s the definition of it.

The other thing the "51st state" crowd doesn't seem to understand is that we'd in all likelihood be treated like a bastard son of the U.S., similar to how Puerto Rico is treated.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The other thing the "51st state" crowd doesn't seem to understand is that we'd in all likelihood be treated like a bastard son of the U.S., similar to how Puerto Rico is treated.

Yes. We would be a territory and second class citizens. Disruptors would most likely jailed or sent away. Good luck thinking you owned property of any kind.