2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Bs&Cs]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

In his career Wideman has put up 40 + points 4 times in the last 7 years, and two 50+ point seasons included in that. He's also a former all star who came in 20th last season in all star voting.

He has 6 points in 11 games this season as well and leads Calgary defencemen in points.

Okay. He was horrendous for the Bruins the last year he was there, was dumped off the Panthers, played on the third pair for the Caps and people wanted the guy bought out here because he's a power play specialist who's simply a mediocre defender. Saying he has no value might have been a reach but it will probably be a cap dump deal if they do decide to move him.

Didn't think Wiz got them a second, thought it was Bourque, a third and some no name prospect. Which is the equivalent of a grab bag of crap. My mistake guys.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

Okay. He was horrendous for the Bruins the last year he was there, was dumped off the Panthers, played on the third pair for the Caps and people wanted the guy bought out here because he's a power play specialist who's simply a mediocre defender. Saying he has no value might have been a reach but it will probably be a cap dump deal if they do decide to move him.

Didn't think Wiz got them a second, thought it was Bourque, a third and some no name prospect. Which is the equivalent of a grab bag of crap. My mistake guys.

And last year he was really great for the Flames, got 56 points, stepped up when Giordano was out and played crazy minutes every night against the league's top lines, and kept doing it in the playoffs. This year he is looking to be about the same, and really seemed to help Giordano with his game when they switched Hamilton off that pairing and replaced him with Wideman.

Guess we can just choose to see what we want to see. Defencemen capable of logging big minutes and scoring at that rate are not common or cheap to trade for.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

Okay. He was horrendous for the Bruins the last year he was there, was dumped off the Panthers, played on the third pair for the Caps and people wanted the guy bought out here because he's a power play specialist who's simply a mediocre defender. Saying he has no value might have been a reach but it will probably be a cap dump deal if they do decide to move him.

Dubnyk was on waivers last season and now signed to a $26 million deal. What exactly is your point here bringing up past seasons when he wasn't a Flame? Do you think in the Wild in negotiations told Dubnyk's agent that since he wasn't that good in his last season with Edmonton, couldn't play for the Predators, and could have been had by anyone in waivers that his value was diminished and he should accept a lowball deal? IMO the only thing of low value right now is your argument.

I think the problem right now is that a lot of teams simply don't have $5 million of cap room to spare as teams assemble their teams in the offseason cutting things close to the cap in free agency and don't leave a lot of room to make major trades during the season. I expect that teams would want to send back a player in the range of $5 million in return and that player is not likely going to help the Flames more than keeping Wideman.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I suggested this last week. The contracts are pretty much a wash in terms of cap hit and term. The Avalanche get the younger player and an offensive defence man. It's a trade that happens early in the season but definitely not late in the season. I think it would work for both sides.


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The Avalanche have zero need of Wideman, he would be buried on their 3rd pairing. You have to think of the other teams needs too. Iginla is the past, let it go.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Avalanche have zero need of Wideman, he would be buried on their 3rd pairing. You have to think of the other teams needs too. Iginla is the past, let it go.

I thought the Avalanche are in desperate need of defense. After Barrie and Johnson, who's better than Wideman?

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

Okay. He was horrendous for the Bruins the last year he was there, was dumped off the Panthers, played on the third pair for the Caps and people wanted the guy bought out here because he's a power play specialist who's simply a mediocre defender. Saying he has no value might have been a reach but it will probably be a cap dump deal if they do decide to move him.

Didn't think Wiz got them a second, thought it was Bourque, a third and some no name prospect. Which is the equivalent of a grab bag of crap. My mistake guys.

He never played on the 3rd pairing for the caps. He led the team in minutes played per game, goals, assists and points by a defenseman. You make a lot of mistakes in your posts.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I thought the Avalanche are in desperate need of defense. After Barrie and Johnson, who's better than Wideman?

You could argue that Beauchemin is equivalent, though more defensive. Barrie and Johnson are pretty offensive IIRC, so Wideman may be a bit redundant.

That being said, I agree with you in that any team that has Nick Holden in their top 4 could probably use a guy like Wideman and I think they'd probably want him.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by heep223

You could argue that Beauchemin is equivalent, though more defensive. Barrie and Johnson are pretty offensive IIRC, so Wideman may be a bit redundant.

That being said, I agree with you in that any team that has Nick Holden in their top 4 could probably use a guy like Wideman and I think they'd probably want him.

Frank Beauchemin and Wideman would make a pretty good pair actually. Beauchemin is very good in his own end.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I thought the Avalanche are in desperate need of defense. After Barrie and Johnson, who's better than Wideman?

Ok, but both those guys play the right side, like Wideman. So again, it is not a fit.

[FlameZilla]

I wonder if Brooklyn might be a good fit for Wideman or Russell? Okposo might be on the market (pending UFA) & I would love to see him on Mony's wing.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I wonder if Brooklyn might be a good fit for Wideman or Russell? Okposo might be on the market (pending UFA) & I would love to see him on Mony's wing.

It would likely take both Wideman and Russell + to get that done, the only reason they wouldn't sign okposo is likely due to the raise he has earned - can't see them wanting to take Wideman on at his cap hit if those are their worries.

Would love to have okposo here but we'd need to offer much more IMO

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

Okay. He was horrendous for the Bruins the last year he was there, was dumped off the Panthers, played on the third pair for the Caps and people wanted the guy bought out here because he's a power play specialist who's simply a mediocre defender. Saying he has no value might have been a reach but it will probably be a cap dump deal if they do decide to move him.

Didn't think Wiz got them a second, thought it was Bourque, a third and some no name prospect. Which is the equivalent of a grab bag of crap. My mistake guys.

Wideman was not "dumped" by the Bruins he was part of the package that landed Nathan Horton who was a highly sought after power forward at the time.

[activeStick]

It is interesting that it seems like the majority opinion here of Wideman is that he's best suited as a 5/6 guy and it would seem that fans wouldn't have any issues seeing him traded.

He has his short comings but what he brings offensively and to the Flames transition game is pretty tough to find. If you find one who is also good defensively, you're looking at a much larger salary than that of Wideman.

I think he's a good player and good value. I understand he might need to go though given Gaudreau and Monahan needing new contracts and Bennett the year after. The hopes are that Hamilton will fill the void when Wideman's gone but thus far, Hamilton's proven he is unable to do that right now (yes, he's young and its early, so hopefully that changes next season or the season after).

[GioforPM]

I was down on Wideman at the beginning of last year. But I've come around a bit. Sure he's not the best defensive defenceman, but as some have said, if he put up the points he does plus was a great shutdown guy, he'd be a 7-9 million dollar man. As it is, I think he has a better IQ than Russell, and defensively plays within himself most nights. He used to get beat coming back a lot, now he gets the head start he needs.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by heep223

You could argue that Beauchemin is equivalent, though more defensive. Barrie and Johnson are pretty offensive IIRC, so Wideman may be a bit redundant.

That being said, I agree with you in that any team that has Nick Holden in their top 4 could probably use a guy like Wideman and I think they'd probably want him.

Lots of teams these days will run 5 of their 6 D as offensive Dman. New NHL, transition game, pinching D et al... it was key in a lot of the playoffs last year. Far from the days when you would have one Sandis Ozolinsh on your team.

I honestly think Wideman is a real good part of this team right now, I get his salary could maybe be a problem next year but I wouldn't go dump him for nothing. Keep him for this year unless you can get a good young player and we'll see what happens in the off season.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Are we actually discussing Iginla coming back to calgary? I got to see him yesterday in Denver and he is essentially a hired gun for mackinnon. I love the guy, but he won't be a flame again. Let it go

[Flame19,289]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

Would love to have okposo here but we'd need to offer much more IMO

Agreed. Offensively, Okposo brings roughly the same level of scoring as Hudler with a few less years on the odometer. The return to the Islanders for Okposo would need to be around what the Flames would expect to get back for Hudler, as both are pending UFA's.
Okposo would look great on the Flames, though. No question there. I just think the Flames would also need to give up some youth &/or picks to make it happen.

[cracher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You can only trade a player once.

Brandon Prust.

[jaydub74]

Iginla at this stage in his career is basically the equivalent of Brett Hull. A slap shot from the top of the circles, that's it. Do not want.

[Vinny01]

The only way I want Iggy back is if he comes after this contract is over, the Flames are legit contenders, and he comes in for a bottom 6 role and gets his cup here