2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[868904]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Hell, if we're getting Iggy I'd like to see us go full frothing Flame fanatic and stick him with Gaudreau and Bennett.



Hey, that line actually doesn't sound so bad in theory.

I would do it simply to put an end to Gaudreau taking hits. Monahan just gets laughed at when he “has a talk” with someone who just pasted Gaudreau. But with Iggy, guys know they will have to answer to Iggy. Or maybe stick Ferland opposite Gaudreau. Seems like he's taking a big hit every game now.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by 868904

I would do it simply to put an end to Gaudreau taking hits. Monahan just gets laughed at when he “has a talk” with someone who just pasted Gaudreau. But with Iggy, guys know they will have to answer to Iggy. Or maybe stick Ferland opposite Gaudreau. Seems like he's taking a big hit every game now.

I like this point too.


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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

No thank you on Iginla, he's slow and too many plays die on his stick, couple that with how bad he is defensively, I wouldn't give up an asset that hurts us from re-signing our good young players.

Sounds like the perfect Flames veteran.

[adc]

Originally Posted by 868904

I would do it simply to put an end to Gaudreau taking hits. Monahan just gets laughed at when he “has a talk” with someone who just pasted Gaudreau. But with Iggy, guys know they will have to answer to Iggy. Or maybe stick Ferland opposite Gaudreau. Seems like he's taking a big hit every game now.

What's Ferland going to do?

Take an instigator penalty while getting 5-6 shots off the guys helmet and visor?

[GB70]

We don't need Iginla for Johnny protection. Honestly the ship sailed with Iginla a long time ago. If were making a trade to get some toughness while still being able to actually play hockey. Maybe we look at St.Louis for someone like Ott or Backes ? Not sure we'd want to give up the assets it'd cost to make that happen is also the other conundrum.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by 868904

I would do it simply to put an end to Gaudreau taking hits. Monahan just gets laughed at when he “has a talk” with someone who just pasted Gaudreau. But with Iggy, guys know they will have to answer to Iggy. Or maybe stick Ferland opposite Gaudreau. Seems like he's taking a big hit every game now.

Iggy is getting old now and is averaging about 3.25 fights per season and I think with fights decreasing to 0.25 per game I think you will see guys like Iggy avoid fighting now to prolong his career into his 40's. He's still a super fit guy for 38 years old and he's off to a great start to the year with 4 goals - 3 on the pp - and 4 assists. I'd much rather have a Ferland on Johnny's wing who is young and unpredictable with the gloves off but I think Johnny is fine and would perfer to see the combo that lit up the league during the second half last year.

The prospect of trading Wideman straight across for Iggy is an interesting thought. He would round out the right side of our top nine quite nicely and his contract is a wash with Wideman being almost the same cap hit with 2 years left as well.

If we ever brought Iggy back - though I think the chance is slim to none and slim just left town - with everyone healthy run with something like:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Colborne - Bennett - Iginla
Bouma - Backlund - Jooris
Ferland - Stajan - Jones

Gaudreau - Monahan - Iginla
Giordano - Brodie

Bennett - Colborne - Hudler
Russell - Hamilton

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I agree with not salvaging the future for acquiring iginla. That's why the iginla for wideman swap is the kind of trade I would propose. Avalanche could use an offensive defenseman and the flames could use a scoring winger. It's the perfect example of a hockey trade.


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We need a lot of things and Iginla isn't the answer. Wideman has decent value. Especially next year when he has only a year left on his deal. Why would we waste that value to aquire Iginla? It makes no sense. It's short sighted and last years success seems to have clouded some peoples view of where this team actually is in its cycle to become a contender.

[Phanuthier]

I think Iginla played some goaltending in Ball hockey a decade ago. Maybe that could work.

[saillias]

Tim Jackman on waivers.

Blackhawks send Bickell to AHL and recall Dano

[Bs&Cs]

Wideman has no value.

He might get you a slightly better return than Cbus got for Wiz last year.

If a contender is desperate for a dman to put up some points you might be able to squeeze something for him that way but that would be next year at the deadline. Even still. Extremely limited market for a guy like Wideman.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Iggy is getting old now and is averaging about 3.25 fights per season and I think with fights decreasing to 0.25 per game I think you will see guys like Iggy avoid fighting now to prolong his career into his 40's. He's still a super fit guy for 38 years old and he's off to a great start to the year with 4 goals - 3 on the pp - and 4 assists. I'd much rather have a Ferland on Johnny's wing who is young and unpredictable with the gloves off but I think Johnny is fine and would perfer to see the combo that lit up the league during the second half last year.

The prospect of trading Wideman straight across for Iggy is an interesting thought. He would round out the right side of our top nine quite nicely and his contract is a wash with Wideman being almost the same cap hit with 2 years left as well.

If we ever brought Iggy back - though I think the chance is slim to none and slim just left town - with everyone healthy run with something like:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Colborne - Bennett - Iginla
Bouma - Backlund - Jooris
Ferland - Stajan - Jones

Gaudreau - Monahan - Iginla
Giordano - Brodie

Bennett - Colborne - Hudler
Russell - Hamilton

I would rather have Frolik on the second line left wing spot.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I would rather have Frolik on the second line left wing spot.

Wow i forget about him AFTER a hattrick. Terrible.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

Wideman has no value.

He might get you a slightly better return than Cbus got for Wiz last year.

If a contender is desperate for a dman to put up some points you might be able to squeeze something for him that way but that would be next year at the deadline. Even still. Extremely limited market for a guy like Wideman.

In his career Wideman has put up 40 + points 4 times in the last 7 years, and two 50+ point seasons included in that. He's also a former all star who came in 20th last season in all star voting.

He has 6 points in 11 games this season as well and leads Calgary defencemen in points.

[logan_izer10]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

Wideman has no value.

You are delirious. Wideman's value has never been higher. Especially if you retain some salary.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by saillias

Tim Jackman on waivers.

Blackhawks send Bickell to AHL and recall Dano

Another example of a team unwilling to pay to get a bad contract off their books. Would rather eat the salary in the minors rather than giving up an asset to have a team take him off their payroll. I'm sure other GMs have offered to 'help' Bowman by taking this contract but cost to do so must be prohibitive.

[saillias]

Wisniewski is a Wideman comparable and that package was not a bad return. A 2nd, a forward prospect who's something of a Backlund type, and UFA Rene Bourque for the rest of the year.

So you can say Wideman has "no value," but if he will get you a "slightly better value than Wiz" then we're looking at a pretty impressive return, actually.

[Hackey]

I think Wideman gets a better package than Wisneiwski but even if its similar I'll take that over Iginla any day of the week. Obviously were not gonna get the package Phoenix got for Yandle but an overpayment could definitely be out there come deadline time if a team really wants to make a push for the Cup.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by saillias

Wisniewski is a Wideman comparable and that package was not a bad return. A 2nd, a forward prospect who's something of a Backlund type, and UFA Rene Bourque for the rest of the year.

So you can say Wideman has "no value," but if he will get you a "slightly better value than Wiz" then we're looking at a pretty impressive return, actually.

I think there was a Columbus 3rd going along with Wisniewski, so the return isn't great, but for sure, Wideman still has some value. I think the Flames would have to take salary back, however and it isn't clear to me how we get better this year by trading Wideman. More minutes to Hamilton, Engelland, Nakladal?

[Hackey]

I'm more concerned about how we get better in the future than this year. Wideman isn't gonna be here in a year or two most likely so I'd rather use that asset to improve our team for the future than just this year aquiring someone like Iginla.

[Enoch Root]

Regardless of what you think Wideman would return, the bottom line is this:

You can only trade a player once.

If/when the Flames eventually trade Wideman, it should be for assets that help the long-term goal of building a contender.

It should not be to bring in a 38 year old player with a large cap hit.