2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[BigTuna]

LA had a free buyout for Richards last summer and did not take it. Ouch.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

LA had a free buyout for Richards last summer and did not take it. Ouch.

You don't say!

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GettinIggyWithIt

That's an interesting proposition. I'd say not enough from our perspective to take on Richards' contract. Of course I am biased but I would like LA to overpay. What if it was one of our 2nds going the other way instead of our first and they kept their second but added a prospect? Too much from LA?

I think LA would buy him out if they have to give up anything extra. LA needs that first rounder to restock as they need to get younger and cheaper especially after missing the playoffs this season. Consider that #43 in this draft might be the equivalent of a late first in other drafts. We could do worse by adding another mid second.

Maybe we can shake loose another asset if we add which we can given the depth up front. They have a couple of intriguing d prospects IIRC, but adding to the equation might get too complicated.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I think LA would buy him out if they have to give up anything extra. LA needs that first rounder to restock as they need to get younger and cheaper especially after missing the playoffs this season. Consider that #43 in this draft might be the equivalent of a late first in other drafts. We could do worse by adding another mid second.

Maybe we can shake loose another asset if we add which we can given the depth up front. They have a couple of intriguing d prospects IIRC, but adding to the equation might get too complicated.

Yeah but if they buy him out they are still on the hit for a large portion of the cap...it would be a regular buyout not a compliance buyout now

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah but if they buy him out they are still on the hit for a large portion of the cap...it would be a regular buyout not a compliance buyout now

For sure but I don't see them selling the farm to get Richards off the books. Williams Regehr and stoll off the books so not as pressing as it was this past season. Plus if voynov has contract voided that's more relief.

They buy him out at 2/3 which provides room to bring in another player to replace him

[sureLoss]

The Richards buyout cap hit scenarios

No Buyout
2015-16 $5.75
2016-17 $5.75
2017-18 $5.75
2018-19 $5.75
2019-20 $5.75

Buyout in 2015-16
2015-16 $1.217
2016-17 $1.717
2017-18 $2.717
2018-19 $4.217
2019-20 $4.217
2020-21 $1.467
2021-22 $1.467
2022-23 $1.467
2023-24 $1.467
2024-25 $1.467


Buyout in 2017-18
2015-16 $5.75
2016-17 $5.75
2017-18 $2.42
2018-19 $3.92
2019-20 $3.92
2020-21 $1.17
2021-22 $1.17
2022-23 $1.17



Buyout in 2018-19
2015-16 $5.75
2016-17 $5.75
2017-18 $5.75
2018-19 $3.75
2019-20 $3.75
2020-21 $1.00
2021-22 $1.00

[Bingo]

I honestly think the taking on bad contracts for futures thing in Calgary has sailed. A summer ago it was hard to picture the year ahead, but in that time Monahan has become a 30 goal scorer, Gaudreau a 65 point rookie, Bennett has burned a year and contributed into the second round of the playoffs, and Hudler has become a top ten point getter.

Add in a new contract for Giordano and the Flames could have cap issues and need to move Hudler, let alone taking on a Richards or a Semin.

The Flames have bigger talent faster than expected and they are going to get paid.

They'd better stay clear of adding big tickets for futures.

[sureLoss]

Would anyone be interested in Alec Martinez?

Been suggested the Kings might move him out to re-sign Sekera.


Cap hit of $4 million until 2021

[Racki]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I honestly think the taking on bad contracts for futures thing in Calgary has sailed.

I would concur. I think that there may still be a small opportunity if a team had a big ticket guy they wanted to rid themselves of that had 1 or 2 years remaining but nothing longer than that.

Carolina and LA will have to pay a King's ransom to have someone eat one of those contracts.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Spitballing here but if the rumours are right and smid won't play again, wonder if we can do a Clarkson for Horton type deal and make it work to our advantage. We throw in Raymond as well to shed that deal but LA gains cap relief with Smid on ltir. Something like

Raymond
Smid
15 overall

For

13 overall
Richards
2nd rounder in 2015

We gain a couple of spots in the first round and pick up a second rounder. LA takes on Raymond's deal which expires before Richards and gain cap relief with Smid. Probably not enough from our perspective but thought I'd float it out there.

This doesn't make any sense.

Smid will cost the Flames nothing if his contract is insured (no reason to believe he is not) and he will not count against the cap. Not to mention the Flames aren't a penny pinching team. This is a non-issue.

Then we take on Richards, who has the worst contract in the NHL, and is essentially a boat anchor. He has no playing value to any NHL team.

We give them Raymond, who while certainly overpaid, shouldn't have much negative value on his current contract.

We do all this just to move up two spots in the 1st round and take on a mid-2nd rounder?

That's just awful for the Flames and only causes further problems when it's time to re-sign Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, and Giordano (players that actually matter for this team).

[sureLoss]

Thomas Willis @TomAWillis
Poile says the #Preds will probably not re-sign Franson or Santorelli.

[dammage79]

Two players the Flames could/Should maybe sign.

I'd give preference to Santorelli, term and dollar won't be murder.

If you can nab Franson to reasonable contract, I'd be pumped. But he's going to be like Belesky and get stupid term and money.

[Knut]

^ I think Martinez is a perfect target. I do not want Franson (price/term) and not sure if Santorelli is a really that big of an improvement for us.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Would anyone be interested in Alec Martinez?

Been suggested the Kings might move him out to re-sign Sekera.


Cap hit of $4 million until 2021

Love the idea of adding martinez. Hes like a muzzin lite imo

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I honestly think the taking on bad contracts for futures thing in Calgary has sailed. A summer ago it was hard to picture the year ahead, but in that time Monahan has become a 30 goal scorer, Gaudreau a 65 point rookie, Bennett has burned a year and contributed into the second round of the playoffs, and Hudler has become a top ten point getter.

Add in a new contract for Giordano and the Flames could have cap issues and need to move Hudler, let alone taking on a Richards or a Semin.

The Flames have bigger talent faster than expected and they are going to get paid.

They'd better stay clear of adding big tickets for futures.

We should be no where near cap jail unless we're perennial Cup contenders ala Chicago, NY, Boston, LA etc. Contract management is key and when the time is right, go for it. Constantly losing in the 1st or 2nd round should dictate what players are making, and not solely on regular season points. Agreed Monahan, Johnny, and Bennett will all be paid, but I hope their contracts are based equally on point production and playoff success.

[H2SO4(aq)]

I really think Franson would be worth the cost. Would give us the depth we need to have on d and he's a RH shot which seems to be the rarest thing in the sporting world.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Would anyone be interested in Alec Martinez?

Been suggested the Kings might move him out to re-sign Sekera.


Cap hit of $4 million until 2021

Yes. Good skater with playoff success

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Two players the Flames could/Should maybe sign.

I'd give preference to Santorelli, term and dollar won't be murder.

If you can nab Franson to reasonable contract, I'd be pumped. But he's going to be like Belesky and get stupid term and money.

Franson turned down 3 years $13M

[mrdonkey]

Have a feeling the Flames will be going hard after Franson this summer.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Have a feeling the Flames will be going hard after Franson this summer.

Hope not, he's the definition of middling. The only thing he's got going for him is his age and he's RH. Whoever signs him will regret it, big time.

Unless other GMs see this and he sits until August waiting for a contract. If you could snag him for 1 yr $2.5m, he'd be an okay pickup. I think someone is going to give him $25m over 5 and I really hope that someone isn't us.