Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Muta]

I've always loved the 'left wing echo chamber' comment when it comes out. It's just a desperate reaction to try and internally come to terms with the fact that the majority of people, are in fact, centrist or immediately within the centre's orbit.

I will say this though, when you sit on the extreme right of the political spectrum, everything appears left. Saying one if left wing though, is actually a misnomer for 'left of you'; even if you're still on the right.

[Hockeyguy15]

I find it quite hilarious that any time we have a provincial election, the UCP supporters go off and act like their #### don't stink. Now that they are getting called out federally the victim cards come out.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I mean you still haven't addressed how posting this was a bunch of BS?

You said they did it secretly? Not true
You characterized it as "Their programs": Not true, it was pretty much every government program.
You characterized it like it was some nefarious scheme, and when multiple people posted that it is pretty normal, and required to keep the government functioning, you ignored it.

You're intentionally acting in bad faith, which as I said, kind of makes me understand why you like PP.

And in the end, isn't that what you're asking for? For us to understand your point of view?
I do. You're motivation is grievance, and sticking it to the Libs.
Nothing more nuanced, or important. You're just childish.


And yeah, opinion pieces are good to read. What isn't cool is when someone intentionally presents them as fact and then ignores anyone who calls them out on it.
Perspective is cool. Misinformation is not.

Dude, 1 post in like a decade where I included an opinion of it being "secretly" or whatever. Maybe that was a hastily posted copy/paste mistake? The information itself was true and verifiable and I included the link. The fact that you didn't even bat an eye to the actual numbers is telling. You should be appalled that you're tax dollars are going to some of those things, especially since we are running a deficit and literally borrowing money to give away, like 200 million to CBC. Sure if you were running a surplus or balanced budget maybe you can look at nonsense spending.

How can you post an opinion piece as fact? It literally says "opinion piece", that is how you know it is an opinion.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Are Conservatives still calling Trudeau a drama teacher dismissively? Like...can we call Pierre Polliverve...umm...ummm.....someome help.

Telemarketer.

[sarge]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Are Conservatives still calling Trudeau a drama teacher dismissively? Like...can we call Pierre Polliverve...umm...ummm.....someome help.

Creepy PP is a Felon47 impersonator.

https://youtu.be/WPzLs31fE_8?si=PexpWhvh5-CDrczO

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I mean you still haven't addressed how posting this was a bunch of BS?

You said they did it secretly? Not true
You characterized it as "Their programs": Not true, it was pretty much every government program.
You characterized it like it was some nefarious scheme, and when multiple people posted that it is pretty normal, and required to keep the government functioning, you ignored it.

You're intentionally acting in bad faith, which as I said, kind of makes me understand why you like PP.

And in the end, isn't that what you're asking for? For us to understand your point of view?
I do. You're motivation is grievance, and sticking it to the Libs.
Nothing more nuanced, or important. You're just childish.


And yeah, opinion pieces are good to read. What isn't cool is when someone intentionally presents them as fact and then ignores anyone who calls them out on it.
Perspective is cool. Misinformation is not.

Originally Posted by FlameFan21

Just returned from early voting where I cast my vote for Winnipeg North Liberal incumbent Kevin Lamoureux. A few months ago, I was going to vote for him anyway out of personal loyalty to him and to ensure there was strong opposition against Poilievre (even though the CPC was, at that point, projected to win the largest majority in Canadian history). As a lifelong, self-professed political moderate, I voted based on which leader best reflected my political beliefs and who would be best to lead Canada during these times of political and economic uncertainty. In my opinion, that leader is Mark Carney.

I won't name names, but it's obvious who I am referring to, there is an uncomfortable lack of empathy from some Liberal supporters on this forum. The reputation of the LPC has, in my opinion, been sewered by Justin Trudeau and it's easy to undertand why a good number of honest Canadians gravitate towards Pierre Poilievre on issues like taxes and the cost of living even though they may not agree with him on his more extreme ideas. Carney will have to work hard to gain the trust of these people.

The behavior has also become annoyingly cocky. I believe this election will be closer than the current polls suggest and a lot of people here are putting the cart before the horse. We all know how 2016 turned out down South... A Conservative government is a distinct possibility. There are also some posters who have implied they may not vote due to living in CPC strongholds. Vote anyway. I think one of the worst things that could happen is the Liberals winning another minority government while failing to win a plurality of the popular vote. It will just further divide the country. Go out and vote.

If a Conservative government led by Poilievre is elected, I will give him a chance to prove his critics wrong. If a government under Carney is elected and it is more of the same, I will gladly eat my words.

Lastly (and I think this was mentioned here already), if you vote today or on election day, regardless of who you vote for, thank the election workers. There has been high voter turnout so far.

That's about all I wanted to say. I just want this campaign to end. I have witnessed it firsthand get far too personal. In the end, all of us here love our country. We just differing views on how to improve it.

That's too bad. Sometimes it is good that the vote west of Ontario doesn't count anyway.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by StickMan

You want me to say it another way?

I like that Pierre Poilievre isn't influenced by Brookfield, WEF, UN, Century Initiative, GFANZ, Bilderberg group, China, Eurasia Group, Etc. Etc. Etc.

Can you tell me what the WEF does, and why you view it negatively? How would you compare and contrast it with the IDU?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Dude, 1 post in like a decade where I included an opinion of it being "secretly" or whatever. Maybe that was a hastily posted copy/paste mistake? The information itself was true and verifiable and I included the link. The fact that you didn't even bat an eye to the actual numbers is telling. You should be appalled that you're tax dollars are going to some of those things, especially since we are running a deficit and literally borrowing money to give away, like 200 million to CBC. Sure if you were running a surplus or balanced budget maybe you can look at nonsense spending.

How can you post an opinion piece as fact? It literally says "opinion piece", that is how you know it is an opinion.

Stickman:
Dude, I posted a rage bait article about a normal piece of government business, that implied sinister intent, and when called out on it, I still can't be bothered to admit that I posted a BS piece with the intent to stoke faux outrage. Can't you see the I'm the reasonable one here.

Like I said, it's clear that you're not interested in taking a position in good faith.
You have simple, selfish, and childish motivations, and you've hitched your wagon to a leader who has simple, shellfish, and childish tactics.

I get it. I know why you like him.

Congratulations, the point of debate is to get people to understand your position and motivation. I very clearly understand yours. You've done well.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Can you tell me what the WEF does, and why you view it negatively? How would you compare and contrast it with the IDU?

On a side note, I love the WEF. The amount of insane conspiracy that the right associates with this organization is extremely entertaining. The stories and the folklore and the imagination to create the evil depth that this organization goes to, with no actual basis in anything but rage farming, is just wild.

The WEF also has amazing social content too, much better than 99% of stuff out there.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Well, my post was meant in good nature. I truly was looking for some real talking points as to what the CPC could deliver to me as a centrist voter who was on the fence. Stickman has done a great job of proving to me why I should vote for Carney, so I did as such.

Just kidding Stickman, you're posts did nothing to dissuade me/convince me who to vote for, but your ramblings are typical of what I despise about American politics; instead of clearly stating policies and justifications as to why a CPC win would suit the country better than the Libs winning, it's been non-stop attacking of the candidates personally, the people voting for them, and a few PP-bad posts tossed in. Sadly, that kind of ramblings worked in the US recently, but I'd like to think the voting population is overall much smarter and logical here.
Absolutely nothing wrong with looking at candidates at all points on the spectrum and making your decision that way. I've never associated my personality with any political party, never will, and have flip flopped my entire life between all parties at various levels. Right now the CPC party is just too off-putting for my tastes. Maybe with a new leader and a deep look inside as to what Canadians truly wants, that can change in the future. Happy to be proven wrong if Carney ####s the bed and we play this game again next election.

Glad to see the voting station was well organized and it took all of 3 minutes to walk in and walk out. Everyone behaving at the polling station. Nothing to impede me in any way. Just...a well organized event that made me proud we don't have the stupid election day ESPN ####show like down south where voting can feel like walking into a boxing ring.

Having said that, I'm glad I pop into this thread (or any political thread, really) have my say, and pop out. Some of you on both sides are waaaayyyy to hardcore about this stuff. Couldn't imagine living my life living and breathing politics from the moment I wake up until I fall asleep, day after day. Thankfully the real world is not reflective of life online and for the most part we get along with each other when we're out and about. Looking forward to seeing the results and regardless of whomever win, holding them accountable to doing what is best for country going forward!

So you voted for 4 more years of the same old Liberals? Stockholm syndrome is how I explain this.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Can you tell me what the WEF does, and why you view it negatively? How would you compare and contrast it with the IDU?

I don't like when an organization of radical billionaires brags about "penetrating the cabinets" of the Canadian government with their "young global leaders". Tell me what you know of the WEF?

Video of Klaus Schwab talks about penetrating the cabinets of governments.
https://youtu.be/daE0jthD5F8?si=-xmb-rP7mkgykPkI

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Can you tell me what the WEF does, and why you view it negatively? How would you compare and contrast it with the IDU?

Speaking of the WEF, the evil Klaus Schwab retired.

https://www.reuters.com/business/dav...ir-2025-04-21/

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Stickman:
Dude, I posted a rage bait article about a normal piece of government business, that implied sinister intent, and when called out on it, I still can't be bothered to admit that I posted a BS piece with the intent to stoke faux outrage. Can't you see the I'm the reasonable one here.

Like I said, it's clear that you're not interested in taking a position in good faith.
You have simple, selfish, and childish motivations, and you've hitched your wagon to a leader who has simple, shellfish, and childish tactics.

I get it. I know why you like him.

Congratulations, the point of debate is to get people to understand your position and motivation. I very clearly understand yours. You've done well.

Omg, you need to get over that post. I retract it, I denounce it, do you want me to see if I can delete it? I didn't know it would haunt you so badly.... There I fixed the original post for you. It was not a "click bait article", it was a link to a government of Canada website, I left the link behind for you.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by StickMan

So you voted for 4 more years of the same old Liberals? Stockholm syndrome is how I explain this.

I feel like Stockholm Syndrome applies more to the person who thinks defunding the CBC is a good idea because his political party leader who doesn't mind Ezra Levant and Rebel News telling blatant lies about any other fact, said so.

The CBC that is the only source of information/journalism that is not guided by corporate interests, on account of being publically owned.

In a country where most media - including the Calgary Herald and National Post is owned by American corporations.

At a time when Americans want to annex our country for its resources, flood our grocery stores with subsidized dairy, undermine the regulations of our banking system that allowed your own Stephen Harper to cruise through the 08 wall street crash, and has already taken action to undermine our auto, steel, and lumber industries.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I feel like Stockholm Syndrome applies more to the person who thinks defunding the CBC is a good idea because his political party leader who doesn't mind Ezra Levant and Rebel News telling blatant lies about any other fact, said so.

The CBC that is the only source of information/journalism that is not guided by corporate interests, on account of being publically owned.

In a country where most media - including the Calgary Herald and National Post is owned by American corporations.

At a time when Americans want to annex out country for its resources.

And the National Post coverage of the election has been incredibly biased. They're not even hiding it and pretending that that they're objective, it's just a campaign for the CPC.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I feel like Stockholm Syndrome applies more to the person who thinks defunding the CBC is a good idea because his political party leader who doesn't mind Ezra Levant and Rebel News telling blatant lies about any other fact, said so.

The CBC that is the only source of information/journalism that is not guided by corporate interests, on account of being publically owned.

In a country where most media - including the Calgary Herald and National Post is owned by American corporations.

At a time when Americans want to annex out country for its resources.

You understand that "defunding" just means to stop giving them tax payer money right? It doesn't mean to get rid of any media. You understand that CBC gives massive bonuses using tax payer money to their top heavy team of executives, while simultaneously laying off workers.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by StickMan

You understand that "defunding" just means to stop giving them tax payer money right? It doesn't mean to get rid of any media.

That is literally what being publically owned (in the context of a crown corporation) means.

You want them getting corporate money.

You understand that CBC gives massive bonuses using tax payer to their top heavy team of executives, while simultaneously laying off workers.

I do, actually. Because the CBC reported on it.

Something a corporate owned media outlet would never do.

It's okay to say "the CBC needs accountability" and yet not want to defund them.

Beyond journalism, they're also the source of a ton of Canadian-produced cultural media.

They're a huge part of Canadian identity.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by StickMan

You understand that "defunding" just means to stop giving them tax payer money right? It doesn't mean to get rid of any media. You understand that CBC gives massive bonuses using tax payer money to their top heavy team of executives, while simultaneously laying off workers.

Jesus ####ing Christ…

[Codes]

I voted today!



Can't wait for this to be over so Canada can get on with business!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Codes

I voted today!



Can't wait for this to be over so Canada can get on with business!

Yeah right.

Look at the US and even when Trump was gone the constant negative energy never went away.

I feel like that will continue here as well, you can't forget we will have idiots like Smith who will be screaming and yelling. PP won't go away even though he should.