Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Red Potato Standing By

Come on Canada could bend over backwards and Alberta would still say how bad they have it.

We'll never know, actually never say never, but not likely. In any case, we're not all babies on this side of the spectrum, yes there are some but there are some on the left too.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Hackey

She said she doesn't support separation. You guys are more emotional than teenage girls. The only thing treasonous is trying to stifle one of the biggest industries in our province and country. One that can significantly benefit everyone. To have your own country working against the prosperity of Alberta is 100% a fair concern and was basically the majority of her address. Ottawa should be doing everything it can to assist Alberta, not limit it.

I believe that you know how deeply infantile and dumb this post is, but just in case I somehow (SOMEHOW) have a higher opinion of your intelligence than is represented here...

If the premier was really anti separation, she could literally kill this in an instant. She's basically the one person who can decide if this is real or not. If she didn't want it to happen, she could very easily just not let it happen while she's in office.

But she won't, because she's a liar and does want it to happen. - - They changed the rules to make it 100% easier to call the referendum publicly.
- She created a basically impossible to meet in 1 year list of demands to give ammunition (even dumb) to her adherants
- instead of going on TV and saying that as leader she couldn't possibly condone this separatist talk, she instead chose to say once that she personally doesn't support it, but also took about 10 different takes on why those who do are the best type of albertan and no one should ever call them a traitor because they will never deserve that.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

What is the game plan for the separatist traitors vis a vis the natives and their treaties? Even if Alberta meets the standards of the clarity act, and even if the provinces agree to let Alberta go (not happening), the native bands will have the right to say, no thanks, we don't agree to have our treaties transferred over to an independent Alberta.

"Plan" ####in lol bud.

[Badgers Nose]

More governing and less press conference trolling, Dani.

Nice distraction from the dumpster fires she and her cabinet started.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Red Potato Standing By

Come on Canada could bend over backwards and Alberta would still say how bad they have it.

Let's start with them bending a bit, and then we can see if you are right.

Dani is an annoying dumbo but she isn't wrong about getting AB resources to tidewater. That's a national strategic resource that pays a lot of bills in this country - an energy corridor for oil and other commodities to move East/West and North/South is long over due.

With all the naval gazing, it is the sort of thing only the Feds can force through.

[PepsiFree]

Does TMX just not exist? Other pipelines? Nothing?

Haven’t companies been complaining about the low quality product coming from Alberta and asking the CER to tighten up regulations? And we’re going to pretend we’re still in a position to throw our dick around?

Canada should focus on what is best for Canada. If that happens to be what is best for Alberta, that’s great, but the only reason Alberta gets treated with kid gloves is because of the resources, and if the markets turn away from it, Alberta is in for an extremely rude awakening that will include experiencing, for the first time, exactly what they claim to have been victims of all this time.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’d be happy to see separation go to a referendum (that would surely lose) just to shut up the fools who support it. But even taking it that far would hurt investment and damage Alberta’s economy far more than lack of pipeline capacity has. Some of the people pushing this separation talk must understand this - they can’t all be smooth-brained yokels. Which makes them even more despicable. They’re playing with fire for nothing more than political opportunism.

She essentially is taking it that far, saying there will be referendums in 2026, on some topic or another, and who knows what someone might propose??? That alone has got to put a major chill on investment.

[Amethyst]

Can we have a referendum that Danielle Smith immediately resign and never be allowed to run for office again?

She loves Trump's dictatorial ambitions, because she has the same.

She does what the crazies want because they are keeping her in power and power is the most important thing to her. She is not someone who is doing what she thinks is best for Alberta, but making choices we disagree with. She doesn't give a %*&$ about whether or not something is good for Alberta. All she cares about is attention and power.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Does TMX just not exist? Other pipelines? Nothing?

Haven’t companies been complaining about the low quality product coming from Alberta and asking the CER to tighten up regulations? And we’re going to pretend we’re still in a position to throw our dick around?

Canada should focus on what is best for Canada. If that happens to be what is best for Alberta, that’s great, but the only reason Alberta gets treated with kid gloves is because of the resources, and if the markets turn away from it, Alberta is in for an extremely rude awakening that will include experiencing, for the first time, exactly what they claim to have been victims of all this time.

I’m so opposed to any talk of separation, but what the heck are you talking about with the low quality product and complaints to CER?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I’m so opposed to any talk of separation, but what the heck are you talking about with the low quality product and complaints to CER?

https://www.reuters.com/markets/comm...rs-2024-06-12/

[All In Good Time]

She’s so stupid, disappointing in so many aspects

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

https://www.reuters.com/markets/comm...rs-2024-06-12/

Ok, without going into tins of detail let’s just say that’s mostly just commercial wrangling over crude specs and how different refineries are set up. It’s not a reflection on Alberta crude quality but just that they have slightly different specs on a couple of parameters which has a few refiners worried about the TMX quality pool.

[puffnstuff]

The Alberta Accord is centered around four key demands directed at the federal government. These bear a striking resemblance to past overtures, most notably Robert Bourassa’s “five conditions” ahead of the Meech Lake Accord. But while Bourassa's asks were framed with national consensus in mind, and while the Quebec premier worked to build agreement with his counterparts across the country, Premier Smith's approach lacks the same level of engagement and strategic foresight. Her proposals, as currently articulated, face significant constitutional and political hurdles that, if not overcome, could end up inflaming frustrations among her base rather than resolving them.

https://drjaredwesley.substack.com/p...dRedirect=true


The author also generated a list of questions that really should be asked of the premier at her press conference today, like this one

“Premier Smith, given that your first demand would require overriding constitutional protections for Indigenous land rights and provincial/territorial jurisdiction, how do you propose Ottawa could deliver a 'guaranteed' corridor without violating those rights?”

https://web-cdn.bsky.app/profile/jar.../3loi37dwhm22k

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Hackey

She said she doesn't support separation. You guys are more emotional than teenage girls. The only thing treasonous is trying to stifle one of the biggest industries in our province and country. One that can significantly benefit everyone. To have your own country working against the prosperity of Alberta is 100% a fair concern and was basically the majority of her address. Ottawa should be doing everything it can to assist Alberta, not limit it.

She's doing everything to support separation but actually saying the words out loud. you're ignorant if you don't see that and a fool if you can't admit it.

she's just calling it "Alberta Sovereignty within a United Canada"

sure support oil and gas, but at the same time you god damn better be working on renewables. not trying to shut down that whole industry.

how's the price of oil lately, a 4 year low is it? how many times do you people have to be told that you need to get off the O&G rollercoaster and diversify? Alberta's budget pegged the price at around $68 per barrel.

yes, here we go.

“This isn’t a crisis for the industry yet. The bigger problem will be for the Alberta government in its deficit.”

That’s how Richard Masson, an executive fellow at the University of Calgary’s School of Public Policy, sums up the impact of plummeting oil prices that fell to around $57 U.S. per barrel on Monday — the lowest in four years.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11164451/...es-4-year-low/

great job your "fiscally responsible" stewards are doing.

The government of Alberta forecast a deficit of $5.2 billion for this fiscal year under the expectation that oil prices would average about $68. per barrel of west Texas crude (WTI) — and that’s without knowing the impact of U.S. President Donald Trump’s tariffs on the Alberta economy.


I would bet money that despite this, the UCP props up for oil and gas and stifles every other industry the province has that could help off set these losses.

10 billion deficit? must be Notley and Nenshi's fault, and they'll just cut more services and off load more costs to the taxpayer.

[Fuzz]

You can pretty much guarantee any deficit is going to be blamed on the feds stifling our ability to maximize profits, and not on her decimation of AHS and BS contracts to private companies maximizing their profits off our tax dollars. It'll always be someone elses fault, because she's a ####ing genius.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

https://www.reuters.com/markets/comm...rs-2024-06-12/

[QUOTE]The low cost and proximity of Canadian barrels have so far however trumped the quality concerns. The vessel Aqualeader discharged about 290,000 barrels of crude last month at Marathon Petroleum's (MPC.N), opens new tab Anacortes, Washington, becoming the first TMX cargo to arrive on the West Coast, refinery ship tracking data showed.


Ferndale, Washington, refineries also took shipments in recent days./QUOTE]

OK, I'm confused. I thought the entire point of this thing was to get our oil to world markets where we'd be getting higher prices. But it seems a bunch of it is just hoping the border by boat to Washington? Have we just been sold a boatload of bull#### on this one?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

OK, I'm confused. I thought the entire point of this thing was to get our oil to world markets where we'd be getting higher prices. But it seems a bunch of it is just hoping the border by boat to Washington? Have we just been sold a boatload of bull#### on this one?

I believe Canadian international oil exports (outside the US) have risen 4%, and the discount has been reduced a little bit as well. I think a bunch of it from the TMX is also going to China and India (we love those places now remember).

I wouldn’t call it a boatload of bull####, far from it. But Alberta needs to be mindful of the market and stop acting like our #### ain’t sour. There’s a lot of talk over where Alberta is owed and a lot of it Alberta already has.

Albertans and their leaders are, as usual, inventing something to be hard done by. It’s getting extremely tiring having to listen to these people act like petulant, greedy, spiteful trolls. As I said before, at a certain point the kids gloves will have to come off and Albertans will need a smack.

[calgarygeologist]

[QUOTE=Fuzz;9416803]

The low cost and proximity of Canadian barrels have so far however trumped the quality concerns. The vessel Aqualeader discharged about 290,000 barrels of crude last month at Marathon Petroleum's (MPC.N), opens new tab Anacortes, Washington, becoming the first TMX cargo to arrive on the West Coast, refinery ship tracking data showed.


Ferndale, Washington, refineries also took shipments in recent days./QUOTE]

OK, I'm confused. I thought the entire point of this thing was to get our oil to world markets where we'd be getting higher prices. But it seems a bunch of it is just hoping the border by boat to Washington? Have we just been sold a boatload of bull#### on this one?

Yeah, it was all just a pipedream.

In the period of May 2024 to November 2024, China purchased C$2.03 billion worth of crude from Canada, whereas before it imported virtually no crude directly from Canada. While these are early days and more time will be needed to draw a clearer picture, the trend is clear: China now regularly accounts for 50% or more of all crude exported from the TMX pipeline. The largest single purchaser of Canadian crude oil shipped abroad via the TMX pipeline is Rongsheng Petrochemical, a Chinese firm that owns and operates many expansive and sophisticated refineries on China’s east coast, including an 800,000 bpd refinery in Zhejiang province. In sum, while the US remains the largest market for Canadian crude oil, the TMX pipeline has facilitated China’s rise as a major buyer of Canadian crude, enabled higher prices per barrel for its exports from the Pacific coast, and broken the monopsony commanded by the US in Canada’s oil sector.

https://www.ualberta.ca/en/china-ins...expansion.html

[Cappy]

[QUOTE=calgarygeologist;9416823]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Yeah, it was all just a pipedream.


https://www.ualberta.ca/en/china-ins...expansion.html

Thanks god the federal government stepped in and got a pipeline to tidewater

[Lubicon]

[QUOTE=Fuzz;9416803]

The low cost and proximity of Canadian barrels have so far however trumped the quality concerns. The vessel Aqualeader discharged about 290,000 barrels of crude last month at Marathon Petroleum's (MPC.N), opens new tab Anacortes, Washington, becoming the first TMX cargo to arrive on the West Coast, refinery ship tracking data showed.


Ferndale, Washington, refineries also took shipments in recent days./QUOTE]

OK, I'm confused. I thought the entire point of this thing was to get our oil to world markets where we'd be getting higher prices. But it seems a bunch of it is just hoping the border by boat to Washington? Have we just been sold a boatload of bull#### on this one?

not really. The US west coast refineries are not connected by pipeline to US domestic crude supplies if I am not mistaken. They get their feedstock via tanker (Alaska etc) or via TMX. It's a bit of an isolated market in the US compared to where most of our export pipelines go.