PC Hardware Talk Megathread

[photon]

Rumours are that it'll only be the 4090 out this year and it'll be next year for the 4080 and lower.

Mind you rumours also put the 4090 as almost twice as fast as a 3090, which is crazy, and might be worth waiting for depending on what the needs are.

I won't be getting a wide screen monitor so 4K is my target, but even then I'm a bit leery of a 3090 since you have to still reduce quality in Cyberpunk 2077 on a 3090 to get over 100fps, where a 4080 might be the sweet spot.

But of course there's a question of when will it come out and what will the price be. If the 4080 price is somewhere around the 3080's at launch then it might be worth waiting. They may jack up the prices I guess.

And who knows what AMDs cards will be like this time around.. if they have similar ray tracing and raster performance but take less power then they'll be the ones to get.

So I guess the question is does the 4080 show up at around $1000CAD? If it does then a 3090 doesn't make value sense at $1000 for me unless I need something now, which I don't really.

But if the 3090s continue to fall..

I guess I could figure out what my "too good to pass up" price is for a 3090 and buy one if it gets there. $750 lol!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I really, seriously doubt the 4080 shows up at 1000 CAD. 1000 USD... maybe. Even that seems like a stretch. If I were betting I'd say closer to 1400.

750 for a 3090 is a pipe dream... I would expect 4090s to launch around 2k, no? Maybe I'm just way off with this stuff but it just seems really optimistic to me that even 3080s are going to be dropping that far by year end.

[photon]

I thought the same for prices but the surplus/used market might keep prices reigned in, at least a number of the tech videos I've watched seem to think it's a possibility.

But yeah if a 4080 is getting close to or even over $1500 then that makes a $1000 3090 much more appealing.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah, hard to guess... Sounds like it's probably 7-8 months until we see a 4080 anyway so lots of time for things to change in the market in the meantime.

I just found the 3080 I want for $850, so I think I might have to jump on it today... it's a kijiji thing, but the card is supposed to be NIB so I guess we'll just have to see.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Well, I bought this off FB marketplace for 825, sealed.

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00118036

I guess we'll see if I just got scammed, but if so, I tip my hat because it sure seems legit.

[chemgear]

I don't think I've bought used electronics off of kijiji often. Maybe just the odd classic console? I think I worry about returns/warranties too much.

I guess it is sealed though. Nice deal.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by chemgear

I don't think I've bought used electronics off of kijiji often. Maybe just the odd classic console? I think I worry about returns/warranties too much.

I guess it is sealed though. Nice deal.

Supposedly it does have warranty, he gave me the receipt that shows it's from EVGA directly, and EVGA's website says the warranty is transferable, so that should be okay. Hopefully. I do wish I had something to test it with but as it stands I'm going to have to finish building this before I try it.

I'm re-examining what I think I need out of a CPU. I may be able to do this REAL cheap... trying to get a 5600x and a compatible motherboard for under $400 together, to go with my 2x16GB DDR4 3200 set at 65 bucks. Based on what I'm reading, there is really not much benefit in terms of frames at 1440p when you compare CPUs above that level.

Am I missing something? This would totally solve my DDR5 dilemma - if my current investment in the mobo / cpu / ram is low enough ($450 for all) it would pretty much completely eliminate any downside to just waiting and upgrading those components in ~2-3 years if necessary.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by photon

Rumours are that it'll only be the 4090 out this year and it'll be next year for the 4080 and lower.

Mind you rumours also put the 4090 as almost twice as fast as a 3090, which is crazy, and might be worth waiting for depending on what the needs are.

I won't be getting a wide screen monitor so 4K is my target, but even then I'm a bit leery of a 3090 since you have to still reduce quality in Cyberpunk 2077 on a 3090 to get over 100fps, where a 4080 might be the sweet spot.

But of course there's a question of when will it come out and what will the price be. If the 4080 price is somewhere around the 3080's at launch then it might be worth waiting. They may jack up the prices I guess.

And who knows what AMDs cards will be like this time around.. if they have similar ray tracing and raster performance but take less power then they'll be the ones to get.

So I guess the question is does the 4080 show up at around $1000CAD? If it does then a 3090 doesn't make value sense at $1000 for me unless I need something now, which I don't really.

But if the 3090s continue to fall..

I guess I could figure out what my "too good to pass up" price is for a 3090 and buy one if it gets there. $750 lol!

I can almost guarantee you the 4090 will not double the 3090. Nvidia flagship cards have always been 30%to 40% better than the last. The rtx 3090 was rumored to be double that of a rtx titan but again like every generation before it followed the trend. In gaming tho the titan goes toe to toe in games until ray tracing is turned on in games like cyberpunk,tomb raider etc . Then it's any where from 15 to 40% more fps.

The specs in "rumors" aren't even double that of a 3090.
It has 40% more Cuda, RT and tensor cores.

Nvidia won't buck that trend . They would be shooting themselves in the foot . The 4090 and 4080 will be just as hard to get as the 3090 and 3080 was that's always been a thing. People forget that for most of the Turing Era the titan,2080 and 2080ti were hard to get too. Same goes for the gtx 1000 flagship cards . Takes usually the first year and a bit for things to settle.

The twice the performance of the last card talk is pure marinating talking points from Nvida. They literally marketed the 3080 as twice the performance of a 2080 BUT actual independent testing as we know know clearly shows its only 23 to 25% better than a 2080. Anythingaost 30% is a good and reasonable reason to upgrade if the price is on par for the performance gain
The talk of twice the performance happens every generation and is strictly what Nvidia hands out as talking pointa to reviews andedia for launches.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Well, I bought this off FB marketplace for 825, sealed.

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00118036

I guess we'll see if I just got scammed, but if so, I tip my hat because it sure seems legit.

825 is probably him just recovering the initial cost of buying the thing to scalp then failed . The original msrp 699 in 2020 when the dollar was .68

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Considering what I was expecting to spend on a GPU at some point, these prices make me consider just getting an RTX 3090 and futureproofing myself for a bit. Sell the 1080 Ti and 1070 I have now to recoup some of the cost.

3090s a great card . Love my asus strix 3090 gaming oc card. I was going to wait as I have a 3070ti strix and aurous extreme 3080 but realistically I see the price of a 4090 being close to 3000 and unavailable probably at least a year .

I figure I'll get a good 2 years out of it be fore it replaces that aurous extreme 3080 n the wife's build and I upgrade to a 4090 or 4080. I'll probably just skip the 4000 series in hope the 5000 series is more energy efficient than the 4000. I really don't want a 600watt plus card and a 200 plus watt cpu together. My computer room is fairly big and it gets at least 3 to 5 degrees warmer as it is.

Also outside of cyberpunk I'm already getting 100+fps in games even with Ray tracing on and 500+ in rocket leugue my alienware 38 is only 144 hz , my 27 is only 240, and the 34 oled alienware I have on order is only 175hz. How many fps do I really Ned via a 4000 card.

In reality the 3080 did a good job of that before it went in the wife's system. That said the extra vram is super nice to have . Halo infinite was close to maxing out v ram on a 10g card and that games not that intense in terms of visuals IMO

The 3090 is excellent at driving my g9 monitor properly which I had always struggled with.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

How many fps do I really Ned via a 4000 card.

[photon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I can almost guarantee you the 4090 will not double the 3090.

The leaked benchmark in Time Spy Extreme was 19000+, which would put it at almost double the 3090.. of course it's a synthetic benchmark, but the leaker has a good track record.

Maybe that benchmark is the best case scenario and the average will be closer to the usual 30-40%, but if that's the case that's the case they better not be having the rumoured 2.5Gz clocks and 600W power, that would be a massive fail.

[DoubleK]

What are people's thoughts on upgrading to Windows 11? Is it worth it, or better to stay on 10 for the time being.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by photon

The leaked benchmark in Time Spy Extreme was 19000+, which would put it at almost double the 3090.. of course it's a synthetic benchmark, but the leaker has a good track record.

Maybe that benchmark is the best case scenario and the average will be closer to the usual 30-40%, but if that's the case that's the case they better not be having the rumoured 2.5Gz clocks and 600W power, that would be a massive fail.

I don't see why it would be a massive fail?

My strix 3090 pulls almost 500 watts around 1950gz.
Adding more components and higher clocks makes sense at 600w

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Final build specs... all these prices are with tax removed so the actual out of pocket is closer to 1900. But still pretty good for the price I think!



Just going to grab the 5600x and mobo tomorrow and then I'll slap it all together. I'm waiting for the AIO to show up but I'll probably get it running with the stock cooler to get everything installed and running.

I'm thinking for a start I'll go with Ubuntu and see how that works.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

What are people's thoughts on upgrading to Windows 11? Is it worth it, or better to stay on 10 for the time being.

There's really no reason to upgrade if you have a standard PC or laptop. If you have a 2-in-1 device or surface it makes sense for the improved tablet experience, but there's no performance benefits. Whenever they take the Android subsystem out of beta and allow you to run those apps on the standard release then that opens up a lot of interesting options, that's what I'm waiting for

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Finished the build. Installed Ubuntu. Was running unusably slow... tried a few things in BIOS, finally changed the PCIe settings from auto-detect to 3.0 and now it's running perfectly and smoothly.

I'm a little annoyed because the GPU, MoBo and riser cable are all supposed to be 4.0 compatible but as far as I know, 3.0 vs 4.0 still doesn't make any difference in any gaming or normal use scenario anyway. Unless that's changed?

[photon]

I had an AMD CPU that wouldn't work on PCIe 4.0, the CPU itself was defective and had to be RMA'd. In that case it just wouldn't do anything on PCIe 4, video card black screen (though it did seem to boot, but I never got far enough with it to be able to tell if the disk was slow).

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah, I ended up with a 5600 non-X and saved another 50 bucks but it's obviously a recent processor so it shouldn't be an issue. One thing I didn't bother doing was updating the BIOS because the motherboard I'm using was already running a 5000 series, but I could try that.

I'm going to mess with it more tomorrow and see if I can figure it out. I guess worst case I'm stuck with PCIe3 unless I change things in a couple years. Which is no big performance hit. Was hitting almost 100fps in 4k in Witcher 3 with everything on ultra, which is not bad for a Linux gaming rig. Still need my AIO back from BC though, CPU gets toasty with the stock cooler on it.

[PsYcNeT]

Going full efficiency this time around, grabbed a Seasonic PRIME Ultra Titanium 1000w on sale from Newegg. Got a 240v/15a line for all my gaming PCs now so I'm curious to see if I can hit ~95% efficiency with a 4090 when they drop.

Hope I don't regret not going 1200w/1300w Platinum instead!