12-09-2008, 11:31 AM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
I agree on both those counts, but the action has still opened up the "I told you so" possibilities in the next campaign.
If the CPC had followed the strategy as the Cap'n laid out the whole mess could have been averted, the fiscal package would have been passed, this potential future election smear wouldn't be available, the opposition would still be fractured, and Harper would have had Dion's weak leadership to toy with for 5 more months.
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I really believe that Harper had two plans.
Plan #1 - The Liberals fold and allow the bill to pass and their party is financially crippled in the foreseeable future due to their pitiful fund raising organization.
Plan #2 - The Liberals as well as the NDP and Bloc vote down the bill and another general election is called. Harper says to the voting public... "See what they did? Another election after we just had one a few weeks ago! Parliament, in its current state is disfunctional. I need a majority government in order to get anything done... particularly in the current tough econominc times!!!"
I don't think that Harper saw the possibility of a coalition at all. I bet it was a total surprise to him.... which of course changed everything.
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12-09-2008, 11:40 AM
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Backup Goalie
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Originally Posted by Rerun
I don't think that Harper saw the possibility of a coalition at all. I bet it was a total surprise to him.... which of course changed everything.
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I think he had to have known of the possibility the date of the recorded NDP conference call, no?
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12-09-2008, 11:44 AM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
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Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by Potty
I think he had to have known of the possibility the date of the recorded NDP conference call, no?
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Depends on when he found out about it. Before or after the fact.. anybody know?
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12-09-2008, 11:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rerun
Depends on when he found out about it. Before or after the fact.. anybody know?
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From what I can gather, the conference call happened on November 29th. Since it was recorded by a Tory MP accidentally invited to the call, I'd say Harper probably found out pretty darn quick.
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12-09-2008, 01:15 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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I saw this in the Calgary Sun today. Thought it was kind of funny...
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12-09-2008, 01:20 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Potty
From what I can gather, the conference call happened on November 29th. Since it was recorded by a Tory MP accidentally invited to the call, I'd say Harper probably found out pretty darn quick.
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Harper had the fiscal update on November 27, which is when he proposed cancelling the funding for political parties.
... so I guess he didn't know about the coalition plans until after his fiscal update.
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12-10-2008, 05:35 PM
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Hearing the Liberal MPs talk today, specifically Leblanc and McCallum, makes me think (not really a surprised I suppose) that this coalition is completely dead in the water. What a waste of about 500 pages on CP, lol.
Last edited by metallicat; 12-10-2008 at 05:44 PM.
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12-14-2008, 08:05 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Sad to see this thread die. It was a trip. Between this and the post your mug thread, I feel like I learned A LOT about my fellow CPers.
Great debate ladies and gents.
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12-14-2008, 08:12 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Edit: It was a good thread...the thing that I'm left with is that there are that many elected officials in this country on the "superior, culture of entitlement" Liberals who seriously backed such a useless, wasteful plan, strictly based on emotions/revenge/whatever, and did so on basically a snap decision over a week. And then to align with the NDP and the Seperatists? There were a majority of Liberals that thought that it was a good idea, and thought that it was a rational, well thought out decision? Incredible.
Well lets toss this in here.
May "embarrassed" to be a Canadian.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...ate-talks.html
Be "embarrassed" about the Kyoto accord, be embarassed about whatever...but in being a citizen of this country? This is a person that wants to be in the Senate or Cabinet?
I'm guessing she's not embarassed enough to be staying on a European junket with Canadian taxpayer money.
Last edited by browna; 12-14-2008 at 08:20 PM.
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12-14-2008, 08:21 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Consider this my formal request for Elizabeth May Haiku's
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12-14-2008, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
Consider this my formal request for Elizabeth May Haiku's
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Loves earth more than men
The senate serves cheesburgers
Her armpits are hairy
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12-14-2008, 08:40 PM
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Norm!
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I'm embarrassed that Elizabeth May represents Canada. I'm embarrassed that there are far more capable woman and men out there that could actually do something with the Green Party and this loud mouthed rude power hungry idiot is the face of that party.
If she's so ashamed to be representing Canada, then maybe she should resign her position as the leader of a political party and move somewhere where she would be much happier.
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12-14-2008, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois
Loves earth more than men
The senate serves cheesburgers
Her armpits are hairy
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That last line doesn't work.
Mine is pretty offensive, so sorry in advance.
Elizabeth May
Is such a freaking moron
What a stupid bitch
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12-14-2008, 10:34 PM
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She's embarrassed to be Canadian? I think a lot more Canadians are embarrassed that she is Canadian.
Why is it that about the only news organization in Canada covering this story is the CBC? I know, because Lizzy May is a Liberal, she sold out the Greenies to the Liberals and she is upset now that she could not buy her way into parliament and is even more upset at her prospects of not being appointed to the Senate.
Memo to CBC and the rest of the mainstream press, the Green Party did not win a single seat in the House of Commons and therefore do not represent the views of anyone. They're even less legitimate than the Bloc Quebecois. Canadians overwhelming rejected Ms. May and her ridiculous political views in the election, please stop pretending that anything she has to say matters.
In any case this country could use a few degrees of warming, have any of you checked your thermometers lately?
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12-15-2008, 02:22 AM
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Elizabeth May is an American and a Christian.
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12-15-2008, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by evman150
Elizabeth May is an American and a Christian.
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She was an American and became a Canadian citizen around 1980.
And your point about her being a Christian is?
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12-15-2008, 08:47 AM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Originally Posted by redforever
She was an American and became a Canadian citizen around 1980.
And your point about her being a Christian is?
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She's part of the religious right wing and has a hidden agenda?
Hmmm... where have I heard that before?
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12-15-2008, 10:40 AM
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GOAT!
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The one thing Elizabeth May actually is, is irrelevant.
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12-15-2008, 01:13 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redforever
She was an American and became a Canadian citizen around 1980.
And your point about her being a Christian is?
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Both American's and Christian's are dangerous...... 
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