2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think they need to stagger/spread out contracts to have enough money and time with entry level contracts to be a balanced team in the future. I don't see Conroy making BT or Oiler style mistakes. I think the Flames systems will almost be like a conveyor belt. Or a giant GANTT chart of contract terms and positions, with holes that he will fill operating how he has thus far. The big spending all needs to line up with expiry of contracts like Kadri and Huby, with that money going to Flames developed players, or rescues like Yegor.

Getting Marner would be cool, but I don't see it happening.

If Conroy gets a big name, I still think if will probably come in the form of a productive player on a short contract to help another team with cap relief and is therefore accompanied by some sweetener for the Flames.

I just wonder because they currently have 53 million for next year in 2 goalies, 4 dmen, 7 forwards. They need to sign Coronato, Zary and Bahl and I would be perfectly fine with them signing those guys to long term contracts that soaks up a decent amount of cap space that probably gets them to the cap floor. The next offseason they have to sign Wolf and hopefully sign him longterm and that will get them to the cap floor. Maybe they sign Pospisil long term too, who knows.

But after that they will have a gap of two years where they won’t have any RFAs of significant consequence unless Honzek pops. Cap will likely be skyrocketing then and it won’t be until the 2028 offseason when they will have to sign any RFAs of consequence to deals that will increase the cap. By then they will have one year left of Kadri and 3 years left of Huberdeau.


I guess I am wondering if Friedman ends up being right and the cap goes up to 110 million by 2028 (with a couple huge bumps coming up) does it make sense for the Flames to sign a guy like Marner, who could be the best forward free agent 28 or younger that will hit the market between now and 2028 when the Flames will have to potentially sign players that hit out of their 2024 draft class.

If the cap jumps as much as Friedman thinks it will teams will not be under the gun as much as in the past to dump expensive contracts. I am also not sure Conroy thinks it is the best path for a rebuild to bring in a bunch of ####ty vets on bad contracts who are just playing out their sunset years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Not to be petty but I'm not sure what you mean by a good 200 foot game. He's a great offensive playmaker who can finish and he skates very shifty. Defence he's just okay. But all bets are off in the playoffs. In the Western Conference where it's a little more aggressive physically, I'm not sure he'd be as good as on the Leafs. Still a definite 1st line player - there are no questions there.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...t-now.amp.html

Don’t really want to turn it into a Marner thread but he was a Selke finalist and is routinely considered one of the best defensive forwards in the league. Usually leads the leafs in PK time. Particularly for offensively gifted players he is one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL.

Below is the Marner piece from an article on the top 5 defensive forwards in the league. Bleacher report had him second, not sure he is that high but he is elite.

Mitch Marner's offensive game has often overshadowed his defensive contributions. The Toronto Maple Leafs right wing finally received recognition for his defense last season, as he was named a finalist for the Frank J. Selke Trophy.

Marner's skills as a playmaking forward are undeniable. Between his rookie debut in 2015-16 through 2022-23, the 26-year-old Leafs star has regularly tallied 61-plus points, including three with 94 or more points. He was named to the First All-Star Team in 2020-21 and 2021-22.

Over those seven seasons, Marner sits fifth in total takeaways with 523. Five of his 99 points last season came shorthanded, ranking sixth overall in that category among NHL forwards. He was second among Leafs forwards in shorthanded ice time per game (2:17) and was fourth in puck possession with a 53.3 shot attempt percentage.

At 6' and 180 pounds, Marner lacks the size of others on this list. He makes up for it with his hockey smarts and anticipation, intercepting passes and clearing attempts by his opponents and then quickly turning the play the other way. He will likely be in the running for the Selke this season.

[sureLoss]

HNIC:

teams are making legitimate pitches for David Jiricek
Columbus is mulling offers
There are some rumblings about Edmonton but Friedman doesn't see the fit (Oilers don't have the pieces)
BJs want a similar young player back

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

HNIC:

teams are making legitimate pitches for David Jiricek
Columbus is mulling offers
There are some rumblings about Edmonton but Friedman doesn't see the fit
BJs want a similar young player back

Jesus, Edmonton. What the heck could they offer to get a former 6th overall pick? If the Jackets are looking to do a drysdale for Gauthier trade the Oilers have nothing to offer.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Jesus, Edmonton. What the heck could they offer to get a former 6th overall pick? If the Jackets are looking to do a drysdale for Gauthier trade the Oilers have nothing to offer.

Is there a single team in the league with worse futures/prospect base? I can't think of any.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Jesus, Edmonton. What the heck could they offer to get a former 6th overall pick? If the Jackets are looking to do a drysdale for Gauthier trade the Oilers have nothing to offer.

Broberg +

Oh wait...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Trading Kadri would be the opposite of how Conroy has done this rebuild. He has basically done two kinds of trades so far, always mainly for futures.

1) Trade players who are pending free agents to make sure he does not lose an asset for nothing. These trades are obvious (Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev). Toffoli was more of a trade to fit under the cap as it was done long before the season but for argument sake I will throw him in this bucket.

2) Trade players who are not pending free agents but are veterans in positions where the Flames have obvious replacements who can step in and play the position that the player being traded plays (Markstrom, Mangiapane). Markstrom had an obvious replacement (Wolf). Mangiapane had a slew of options who could play top 9 minutes on the wing (Huberdeau, Sharkey, Kuzmenko, Coleman, Pospisil, Coronato, Zary when he was a winger, Pelletier)

What he has never done in traded a veteran player who is not a pending free agent and plays a position that the organization has no depth or even young options in the system that could take the place of the player he is trading. It would be completely contrary to any trade he has ever done to trade a center when the team has at best 4 players who currently can play center at the NHL level.

If history is any indication the Flames would be way more likely to trade any of the following players if there is a market for any of them this year

Vladar (both a pending free agent and a player who plays a position that the Flames have a pending replacement)
Kuzmenko - pending free agent
Barrie - pending UFA who plays a position where there are many potential replacements
Andersson - one could say eventually there are potential replacements in the system, still feel that if this trade happens it does not happen until next year
Coleman - player who has a potential replacement in the system (doubt Conroy pulls the trigger).

The trade that makes the least sense is Kadri with 4 years remaining and playing a position that the team has no organizational depth. I would be shocked if Conroy made that trade based on the pre-requisites for most of his previous trades.

All true.

And the 3rd thing Conroy has done is trade guys who don't want to be here, and keep guys who do. And Kadri is pretty firmly in the 2nd camp.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...t-now.amp.html

Don’t really want to turn it into a Marner thread but he was a Selke finalist and is routinely considered one of the best defensive forwards in the league. Usually leads the leafs in PK time. Particularly for offensively gifted players he is one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL.

Below is the Marner piece from an article on the top 5 defensive forwards in the league. Bleacher report had him second, not sure he is that high but he is elite.

People forget Marner was a finalist for the Selke two seasons ago and Matthews last year. Both are high end defensive players.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Trading Kadri would be the opposite of how Conroy has done this rebuild. He has basically done two kinds of trades so far, always mainly for futures.

1) Trade players who are pending free agents to make sure he does not lose an asset for nothing. These trades are obvious (Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev). Toffoli was more of a trade to fit under the cap as it was done long before the season but for argument sake I will throw him in this bucket.

2) Trade players who are not pending free agents but are veterans in positions where the Flames have obvious replacements who can step in and play the position that the player being traded plays (Markstrom, Mangiapane). Markstrom had an obvious replacement (Wolf). Mangiapane had a slew of options who could play top 9 minutes on the wing (Huberdeau, Sharkey, Kuzmenko, Coleman, Pospisil, Coronato, Zary when he was a winger, Pelletier)

What he has never done in traded a veteran player who is not a pending free agent and plays a position that the organization has no depth or even young options in the system that could take the place of the player he is trading. It would be completely contrary to any trade he has ever done to trade a center when the team has at best 4 players who currently can play center at the NHL level.

If history is any indication the Flames would be way more likely to trade any of the following players if there is a market for any of them this year

Vladar (both a pending free agent and a player who plays a position that the Flames have a pending replacement)
Kuzmenko - pending free agent
Barrie - pending UFA who plays a position where there are many potential replacements
Andersson - one could say eventually there are potential replacements in the system, still feel that if this trade happens it does not happen until next year
Coleman - player who has a potential replacement in the system (doubt Conroy pulls the trigger).

The trade that makes the least sense is Kadri with 4 years remaining and playing a position that the team has no organizational depth. I would be shocked if Conroy made that trade based on the pre-requisites for most of his previous trades.

I think you’re right.

I think this year will be mostly quiet from a trade perspective for the Flames, which is fine considering last year. I think they will try to move Vladar, Kuzmenko too. Rooney if there’s a taker.

Andersson, I think, is a maybe. If some team wants to get aggressive and make an offer that really meets the Flames wants/needs at this point, I think they would do it. Especially if Andersson doesn’t appear to be committed to extending. Even if he is, it’s might not make sense given the pipeline. It would definitely be a risk though.

I suppose the one guy I’m most curious about is Pelletier. Where does he fit? Passed through waivers earlier in the year so I can’t imagine his stock is too high around the league. Maybe he’s moved for a prospect of similar pedigree and stays within their own system? He’s already been passed by a few wingers in the system and I suspect that list could grow in the coming years with guys like Basha, Gridin, Battaglia coming. I don’t see room for Pelletier at this point.

[sureLoss]

Canes without Andersen for 2 months and a scary situation for Kochetkov last night. Canes might make a move for a goalie.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1860528585536049517

[Goriders]

I think Pelletier had his chance and it didn’t work out. Like you said a number if youngsters have passed him.

My guess is he’s a upper tier AHLer until he ages out. Finishes career in Europe.

[stemit14]

I wonder how this start to the season has changed Conroy’s asking price for certain players. With the team is playing this well, I don’t think he would be eager to disrupt it at the moment. For example… I assume it would take a real overpay at the moment for Conroy to consider trading Andersson. I suggested to start the year that if Utah had a strong year and wanted Andersson to round out their defence core, I would ask for Tij Iginla in return. Like others, I thought it was wishful thinking on my part at the time but now… I think it would take that level of return for Conroy to consider trading Andersson.

Things could change in a month or so of course. But Andersson is probably the team’s MVP skater and he could get Norris votes this year. He won’t win against Makar and Hughes but I think he could be 3rd or 4th in voting behind them if they were giving awards out today.

[Royle9]

The one thing to keep in mind with Andersson (and believe me, he’s a favorite of mine) is that his desire to rebuild here is the reason Craig was/is even listening to offers on him.

Craig loves Rasmus, would love to keep him here long term.
However the player has been very vocal and honest about his desire or lack there of to rebuild here in Calgary. Now with that said I’ve been told that Craig’s plan for how to address this is pretty rock solid, he’s in no rush to trade him, is listening to all offers, has not ruled out re-signing the player if he chooses to want to be apart of this long term, but also respects the players decision should he choose to move on.

The power is in the flames hand here, and Andersson remains the most talked about asset going into this weekend. It would take an absolute blockbuster for Craig to move him right now, talks continue between the two (player agent and Craig) but nothing imminent. I think a lot has to do with the success and direction the team takes this year.

I believe we’re probably looking at a 65/35 trade vs re-sign currently which is an improvement over the 80-20 when the season started.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I wonder how this start to the season has changed Conroy’s asking price for certain players. With the team is playing this well, I don’t think he would be eager to disrupt it at the moment. For example… I assume it would take a real overpay at the moment for Conroy to consider trading Andersson. I suggested to start the year that if Utah had a strong year and wanted Andersson to round out their defence core, I would ask for Tij Iginla in return. Like others, I thought it was wishful thinking on my part at the time but now… I think it would take that level of return for Conroy to consider trading Andersson.

Things could change in a month or so of course. But Andersson is probably the team’s MVP skater and he could get Norris votes this year. He won’t win against Makar and Hughes but I think he could be 3rd or 4th in voting behind them if they were giving awards out today.

I don’t think there’s a snow balls chance Utah moves Iginla. First pick in the teams history and if he’s anything like his dad, he will be as valuable on the ice as he is off it. Factor in the age difference, Calgary would have to add a considerable asset.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Royle9

The one thing to keep in mind with Andersson (and believe me, he’s a favorite of mine) is that his desire to rebuild here is the reason Craig was/is even listening to offers on him.

Craig loves Rasmus, would love to keep him here long term.
However the player has been very vocal and honest about his desire or lack there of to rebuild here in Calgary. Now with that said I’ve been told that Craig’s plan for how to address this is pretty rock solid, he’s in no rush to trade him, is listening to all offers, has not ruled out re-signing the player if he chooses to want to be apart of this long term, but also respects the players decision should he choose to move on.

The power is in the flames hand here, and Andersson remains the most talked about asset going into this weekend. It would take an absolute blockbuster for Craig to move him right now, talks continue between the two (player agent and Craig) but nothing imminent. I think a lot has to do with the success and direction the team takes this year.

I believe we’re probably looking at a 65/35 trade vs re-sign currently which is an improvement over the 80-20 when the season started.

It might at some point actually just make sense to trade Rasmus, just from a team and hockey perspective. Not sure if it is this year but if Bahl, Miromanov and Pachal are all NHL dmen and the Flames think that one or more of their plethora of young dmen are going to turn out in 2-4 years the right hockey move could be to trade Rasmus to address other organizational needs. For me the more positive outcome would be for Conroy to be confident enough in his young defencemen that he feels the right organizational move is to trade Rasmus.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t think there’s a snow balls chance Utah moves Iginla. First pick in the teams history and if he’s anything like his dad, he will be as valuable on the ice as he is off it. Factor in the age difference, Calgary would have to add a considerable asset.

I agree. Not saying Utah would do it. It’s more saying that’s the level of prospect/young player that I think it would take for Conroy to trade Andersson right now. Trading Andersson would be a huge hit to the team right now. And I don’t think the players, coaches, ownership or most fans want that right now. So I think it would almost take an overpay for it to happen.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t think there’s a snow balls chance Utah moves Iginla. First pick in the teams history and if he’s anything like his dad, he will be as valuable on the ice as he is off it. Factor in the age difference, Calgary would have to add a considerable asset.

Even if Iginla isn't on the table (I can't get confirmation if he's even an asset they would consider moving). Utah is the whale of the NHL right now. Ryan Smith is as bold as Bill Foley so I personally could see everything being on the table if it means a legit shot in the playoffs for UHC (Which they aren't and they know it).

[Major Major]

How do you look at Parekh, Brzustewicz and Mews and say there's one top RD spot for you to compete 4 in the next decade?

If you sign Andersson, you gotta start dangling these guys.

[Jason14h]

Or you could see who actually develops before being sure you have an excess of riches

[Fire]

Signing Andersson to a retirement contract should not be an option. Trade him when you get a deal you can't refuse.