2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would take either of those alone if the Leafs take Kadri with no retention.

Not sure the Flames need to salary cap space that bad to take a bad deal. Guys coming off 75 point seasons who are on playoff contending teams don’t usually get sold in a fire sale. A former 2nd round pick who has never really put up offensive numbers at any level or a late 1st round pick would be pretty mediocre return for such a player when you are not under the gun to trade that player.

I am not sure why the Flames would be in a rush to trade Kadri at this point. They realistically do not need the cap space anytime in the next couple years. If Friedman is right and the cap is going to 110 million by the last year of his contract his 7 million would be the equivalent of 5.6 million right now which is not a back breaking contract.

I don’t think the Flames have to make trades that don’t make sense just because “rebuild”, there is no real reason to be in a race to be the next Buffalo or Anaheim.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yea, but that wouldn’t happen.
Start the car if that’s the deal, but from I’m told Brad is going full Trewizard on this “want”

I expect the offer to look like:

David Kampf and a 3rd for Kadri.

i would guess, Leafs would also want the Flames to cover significant amount of salary.

No way, the Flames would be interested in my view

Leafs as a trade partner, just don't make sense.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Not sure the Flames need to salary cap space that bad to take a bad deal. Guys coming off 75 point seasons who are on playoff contending teams don’t usually get sold in a fire sale. A former 2nd round pick who has never really put up offensive numbers at any level or a late 1st round pick would be pretty mediocre return for such a player when you are not under the gun to trade that player.

I am not sure why the Flames would be in a rush to trade Kadri at this point. They realistically do not need the cap space anytime in the next couple years. If Friedman is right and the cap is going to 110 million by the last year of his contract his 7 million would be the equivalent of 5.6 million right now which is not a back breaking contract.

I don’t think the Flames have to make trades that don’t make sense just because “rebuild”, there is no real reason to be in a race to be the next Buffalo or Anaheim.

Considering Kadri's contract was signed when the cap was 82.5 million, it would actually be the equivalent of a 5.25 million salary at the time he signed it, which isn't going to severely handcuff a team that badly.

The funny thing I've noticed, from reading the thread on Kadri that's on the Leafs Reddit page, is that a large number of them don't even want Kadri at 50% retained, or 3.5 million. Which is absolute lunacy.

Right now, the average player salary of a player actually playing in the NHL (assuming each team carries a full 23 man roster) is 3.85 million. With TODAY'S salary cap. You're telling me you wouldn't want Kadri at a below-average NHL salary?

To top that off, many of them are talking like they should be able to get Kadri at 50% retained for mid-round picks, and even then they wouldn't really be happy with it. Their fanbase is absolutely insane sometimes.

[Harry Lime]

Sometimes?

[FanSince'01]

Wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt (I do know a few sane Leafs fans), but you're right, their fanbase doesn't deserve it

[Harry Lime]

You want a strong move?

Marner is a UFA. Let the Flames talk to Marners camp on a 12M extension, and then trade for Kadri and 50% Kuzmenko.

Actually, forget about the talking to Marners camp. Just doit, try to sign him, and if you can't, flip him with the last retention spot.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by FanSince'01

Considering Kadri's contract was signed when the cap was 82.5 million, it would actually be the equivalent of a 5.25 million salary at the time he signed it, which isn't going to severely handcuff a team that badly.

The funny thing I've noticed, from reading the thread on Kadri that's on the Leafs Reddit page, is that a large number of them don't even want Kadri at 50% retained, or 3.5 million. Which is absolute lunacy.

Right now, the average player salary of a player actually playing in the NHL (assuming each team carries a full 23 man roster) is 3.85 million. With TODAY'S salary cap. You're telling me you wouldn't want Kadri at a below-average NHL salary?

To top that off, many of them are talking like they should be able to get Kadri at 50% retained for mid-round picks, and even then they wouldn't really be happy with it. Their fanbase is absolutely insane sometimes.

Trading Kadri would be the opposite of how Conroy has done this rebuild. He has basically done two kinds of trades so far, always mainly for futures.

1) Trade players who are pending free agents to make sure he does not lose an asset for nothing. These trades are obvious (Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev). Toffoli was more of a trade to fit under the cap as it was done long before the season but for argument sake I will throw him in this bucket.

2) Trade players who are not pending free agents but are veterans in positions where the Flames have obvious replacements who can step in and play the position that the player being traded plays (Markstrom, Mangiapane). Markstrom had an obvious replacement (Wolf). Mangiapane had a slew of options who could play top 9 minutes on the wing (Huberdeau, Sharkey, Kuzmenko, Coleman, Pospisil, Coronato, Zary when he was a winger, Pelletier)

What he has never done in traded a veteran player who is not a pending free agent and plays a position that the organization has no depth or even young options in the system that could take the place of the player he is trading. It would be completely contrary to any trade he has ever done to trade a center when the team has at best 4 players who currently can play center at the NHL level.

If history is any indication the Flames would be way more likely to trade any of the following players if there is a market for any of them this year

Vladar (both a pending free agent and a player who plays a position that the Flames have a pending replacement)
Kuzmenko - pending free agent
Barrie - pending UFA who plays a position where there are many potential replacements
Andersson - one could say eventually there are potential replacements in the system, still feel that if this trade happens it does not happen until next year
Coleman - player who has a potential replacement in the system (doubt Conroy pulls the trigger).

The trade that makes the least sense is Kadri with 4 years remaining and playing a position that the team has no organizational depth. I would be shocked if Conroy made that trade based on the pre-requisites for most of his previous trades.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Not sure the Flames need to salary cap space that bad to take a bad deal. Guys coming off 75 point seasons who are on playoff contending teams don’t usually get sold in a fire sale. A former 2nd round pick who has never really put up offensive numbers at any level or a late 1st round pick would be pretty mediocre return for such a player when you are not under the gun to trade that player.

I am not sure why the Flames would be in a rush to trade Kadri at this point. They realistically do not need the cap space anytime in the next couple years. If Friedman is right and the cap is going to 110 million by the last year of his contract his 7 million would be the equivalent of 5.6 million right now which is not a back breaking contract.

I don’t think the Flames have to make trades that don’t make sense just because “rebuild”, there is no real reason to be in a race to be the next Buffalo or Anaheim.

Not only that but if Kadri were available I suspect other teams would certainly have interest. Of course Kadri has a say, so who knows what he might be willing to do but I’d look no further than Nashville.

They need a C as much, or more, than anyone. They have three firsts this year and, essentially, all their picks for the next two years. Surely there’s a deal there to be made if Kadri would be interested. He also fits nicely with their competitive window which you have to think is the next 2-3 years.

…let me rephrase: I would start with Nashville. If another team wants to enter the discussion, by all means.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Trading Kadri would be the opposite of how Conroy has done this rebuild. He has basically done two kinds of trades so far, always mainly for futures.

1) Trade players who are pending free agents to make sure he does not lose an asset for nothing. These trades are obvious (Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev). Toffoli was more of a trade to fit under the cap as it was done long before the season but for argument sake I will throw him in this bucket.

2) Trade players who are not pending free agents but are veterans in positions where the Flames have obvious replacements who can step in and play the position that the player being traded plays (Markstrom, Mangiapane). Markstrom had an obvious replacement (Wolf). Mangiapane had a slew of options who could play top 9 minutes on the wing (Huberdeau, Sharkey, Kuzmenko, Coleman, Pospisil, Coronato, Zary when he was a winger, Pelletier)

What he has never done in traded a veteran player who is not a pending free agent and plays a position that the organization has no depth or even young options in the system that could take the place of the player he is trading. It would be completely contrary to any trade he has ever done to trade a center when the team has at best 4 players who currently can play center at the NHL level.

If history is any indication the Flames would be way more likely to trade any of the following players if there is a market for any of them this year

Vladar (both a pending free agent and a player who plays a position that the Flames have a pending replacement)
Kuzmenko - pending free agent
Barrie - pending UFA who plays a position where there are many potential replacements
Andersson - one could say eventually there are potential replacements in the system, still feel that if this trade happens it does not happen until next year
Coleman - player who has a potential replacement in the system (doubt Conroy pulls the trigger).

The trade that makes the least sense is Kadri with 4 years remaining and playing a position that the team has no organizational depth. I would be shocked if Conroy made that trade based on the pre-requisites for most of his previous trades.

Agreed. I doubt Kadri gets traded for the exact reasons you've mentioned, given Connie's M.O. thus far and Kadri's NMC. Perhaps in a few years once his contract is running out and we have centers in the system to replace him, but right now it doesn't make sense.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Not only that but if Kadri were available I suspect other teams would certainly have interest. Of course Kadri has a say, so who knows what he might be willing to do but I’d look no further than Nashville.

They need a C as much, or more, than anyone. They have three firsts this year and, essentially, all their picks for the next two years. Surely there’s a deal there to be made if Kadri would be interested. He also fits nicely with their competitive window which you have to think is the next 2-3 years.

…let me rephrase: I would start with Nashville. If another team wants to enter the discussion, by all means.

Sure if Nashville blows Conroy away with an offer he can’t refuse like the Tampa first round pick and the Vegas first for Kadri and Avs 2nd I guess he probably considers it but it would be odd for him given his history to consider trading from a position of weakness just to get rid of an older, expensive player.

[Badgers Nose]

Kadri only goes if he tells Conroy he wants to go. I don't see Conroy asking him to waive for all the reasons above.

Kadri is the least of Conroy's problems. We need more centres and are choking on wingers and defenders throughout the system.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Kadri only goes if he tells Conroy he wants to go. I don't see Conroy asking him to waive for all the reasons above.

Kadri is the least of Conroy's problems. We need more centres and are choking on wingers and defenders throughout the system.

True. Kadri only goes if he asks to.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Thats comical, Tre can be his so-called wizard self elsewhere. Although he has had a tougher start to the season than he would like, he still is very effective, and I expect that to turn around.

The Leafs are 12-6-2, sitting in top spot in the Atlantic division and are 2 points behind the conference leading Canes. This is all with their best goal scorer Matthews unavailable for 35% of their games so far (and counting). What do you mean by a tougher start to the season? The Leafs have scored way less than seasons in the past, but are a much better overall team this year with Berube.

As for the proposed trade, I could actually see Tre being interested in Kadri. The player would be a perfect fit for their style now, Berube I'm sure would love to have him (as would every other coach in the league) and it'd be one of those stories the media would love. I'm just not sure Treliving would be willing to pay up for him given the contract and age.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't see Kadri holding that much value with his contract. Father time is just around the corner, and when he comes knocking, it can be a really quick and sudden regression, then whomever is left holding that deal has no choice but to keep it. From that perspective, it just makes sense to unload it if someone is willing to take him without retention.



I think it makes absolute sense for a contender to come knocking with a hole in their 3rd line centre spot - will instantly make their third line among the best in the NHL, and gives them insurance in case one of the top two centres goes down.



I imagine there would be a handful of teams calling about Kadri, and I would bet every team would want to mitigate future risk by having the Flames retain on that deal. Hopefully if a trade does happen, Calgary can trade Kadri without retention for a decent asset. If I am a contender, I am looking at my window and trying to figure out how many years I have left, vs how many years Kadri has left at playing at a reasonable level. 5 seasons (including this one) left on his deal. Does he have 2? 3? Or do you see his decreased scoring so far this year (on pace for 43 pts this year) a sign that he is regressing?



That's the danger with trying to keep him. At some point, someone is going to be left holding that bag, and the only question is: "How many years?"



So far this year, I think he has been mostly fine other than too many stretches playing with blinders on. I am betting his production sees a bit of an uptick. I just think at this point I am taking it season-by-season in trying to guess how he will do.


If I am Treliving, I am thinking that this is the best chance to win a cup in Toronto, so I would be trying to add Kadri. Not sure they have the assets to try to add Cozens, but I am sure that Buffalo would want a bit of a premium on Cozens over what the Flames would do for Kadri.

[dammage79]

The way this Flames team is going, trades aren't gonna happen. Unless they can land that RHS center with picks. Can't argue really, Flames will have 2x 2025 1sts to work with and they likely will be in the 20s.

Gotta praise this rag tag roster for their effort. The buy in is awesome, and the kids are coming along nicely.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, the 2025 1st round picks that are in question for the Flames right now currently sit:

29th (NJD)
27th (CGY)
22nd (FLA)

[Aarongavey]

I kinda wonder if the Flames will take a run at Marner in the offseason if they remain good and look like they are competitive. They have a pretty good backend with a number of prospects, they will need to reach the cap floor and Marner is a dynamic offensive player in the right age range who plays an underrated pretty good 200 foot game. A top line of Marner Zary and Yegor could be pretty good.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I kinda wonder if the Flames will take a run at Marner in the offseason if they remain good and look like they are competitive. They have a pretty good backend with a number of prospects, they will need to reach the cap floor and Marner is a dynamic offensive player in the right age range who plays an underrated pretty good 200 foot game. A top line of Marner Zary and Yegor could be pretty good.

Not to be petty but I'm not sure what you mean by a good 200 foot game. He's a great offensive playmaker who can finish and he skates very shifty. Defence he's just okay. But all bets are off in the playoffs. In the Western Conference where it's a little more aggressive physically, I'm not sure he'd be as good as on the Leafs. Still a definite 1st line player - there are no questions there.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I kinda wonder if the Flames will take a run at Marner in the offseason if they remain good and look like they are competitive. They have a pretty good backend with a number of prospects, they will need to reach the cap floor and Marner is a dynamic offensive player in the right age range who plays an underrated pretty good 200 foot game. A top line of Marner Zary and Yegor could be pretty good.

I think they need to stagger/spread out contracts to have enough money and time with entry level contracts to be a balanced team in the future. I don't see Conroy making BT or Oiler style mistakes. I think the Flames systems will almost be like a conveyor belt. Or a giant GANTT chart of contract terms and positions, with holes that he will fill operating how he has thus far. The big spending all needs to line up with expiry of contracts like Kadri and Huby, with that money going to Flames developed players, or rescues like Yegor.

Getting Marner would be cool, but I don't see it happening.

If Conroy gets a big name, I still think if will probably come in the form of a productive player on a short contract to help another team with cap relief and is therefore accompanied by some sweetener for the Flames.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Or a giant GANTT chart of contract terms and positions, with holes that he will fill operating how he has thus far.

Agreed! If Conroy hasn't got an actual GANTT chart with that information on it, he's doing it wrong.