2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

Actually it can be argued, because penalties are not black and white. Refs decide how much pushing and contact they're going to let go, for all you know the official saw this and let it go.

Whether he saw it or not is moot, the player admitted to pushing him off and that is a penalty by rule...not sure what you are saying.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Whether he saw it or not is moot, the player admitted to pushing him off and that is a penalty by rule...not sure what you are saying.

I'm saying that there are at least a dozen penalties by rule on every single snap of the ball, but the rules aren't that black and white and officials make the decision on what degree of offense is going to be flagged. If we went with the black and white appraoch there would literally not be a single snap without a flag, heck you could flag holding somewhere on the line every single play.

Penalties are subjective. You have no idea whether or not this is a call missed by the official or a play that the official deemed to not be worthy of a penalty.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm saying that there are at least a dozen penalties by rule on every single snap of the ball, but the rules aren't that black and white and officials make the decision on what degree of offense is going to be flagged. If we went with the black and white appraoch there would literally not be a single snap without a flag, heck you could flag holding somewhere on the line every single play.

Penalties are subjective. You have no idea whether or not this is a call missed by the official or a play that the official deemed to not be worthy of a penalty.

White admitted he pushed him...down to the ground as a matter of fact....said so for all to hear.

Cant deny it happened and what the official saw or didnt see has no bearing on what i am saying.

Whether or not it was a penalty by rule is not for debate, it was.

here is the rule...

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

(b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.

here is what White said...

I pushed him down. You gotta do what you gotta do to win.

So tell me again how this is subjective in any way. Your not allowed to do it, he did it and told everyone he did it.

Pretty clear cut stuff.

Again Im not condemning the official for not calling it, just that by rule it certainly was a penalty.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

White admitted he pushed him...down to the ground as a matter of fact....said so for all to hear.

Cant deny it happened and what the official saw or didnt see has no bearing on what i am saying.

Whether or not it was a penalty by rule is not for debate, it was.

here is the rule...



here is what White said...



So tell me again how this is subjective in any way. Your not allowed to do it, he did it and told everyone he did it.

Pretty clear cut stuff.

Again Im not condemning the official for not calling it, just that by rule it certainly was a penalty.

And if you'd go back and read what I said you'd be able to figure out that I'm not talking about the rule as written, I'm talking about the rule as applied. Those are different things.

[browna]

Didn't think it was a penalty, Wilson looked like he braced himself for the usual contact that occurs but then got it where he wasn't bracing for it, and fell.

Odd why the Ravens picked him up...doesn't really suit that style of defense given his size, and the Seahawks haven't looked any worse (not saying much, but still) in the secondary without him.

[Displaced Flames fan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5796299

DJ WIlliams charged with DUI.

Very disappointing for this Broncos fan who thinks the world of this guy both on and off the field.

[Pagal4321]

So now there is no grey area between the way the rule is written and the way the rule is called?

Allllright tranny.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

So now there is no grey area between the way the rule is written and the way the rule is called?

Allllright tranny.

WTF is wrong with you?

Where did I ever come close to saying anything like that??

This is pretty simple to follow.

people wondered IF that SHOULD have been PI...it was all over talk radio and TV this morning.

By the rule itself....you simply are not allowed to push off to gain seperation.

White admitted he pushed off. That means the rule was broken. Period.

hence, and this is the tricky part I understand, he committed a penalty regardless of whether it was called or not, meaning yes it should have been called.

I have said nothing else different no matter how many times you and others want to bleat about it.

If the referee decided not to call even after seeing it, he was wrong in doing so. If he didnt see it, so be it, happens all the time in football.

But nowhere from the second i posted the guy ADMITTING he broke the rule have i suggested it is black and white or anything else. Only that it is now clear that the foul did happen.

What part of all that are you whining about?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5796299

DJ WIlliams charged with DUI.

Very disappointing for this Broncos fan who thinks the world of this guy both on and off the field.

2 time loser in this regard.


is it just me or does it seem like an inordinate amount of forrmer Miami U players get into trouble?

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by transplant99

WTF is wrong with you?

Where did I ever come close to saying anything like that??

This is pretty simple to follow.

people wondered IF that SHOULD have been PI...it was all over talk radio and TV this morning.

By the rule itself....you simply are not allowed to push off to gain seperation.

White admitted he pushed off. That means the rule was broken. Period.

hence, and this is the tricky part I understand, he committed a penalty regardless of whether it was called or not, meaning yes it should have been called.

I have said nothing else different no matter how many times you and others want to bleat about it.

If the referee decided not to call even after seeing it, he was wrong in doing so. If he didnt see it, so be it, happens all the time in football.

But nowhere from the second i posted the guy ADMITTING he broke the rule have i suggested it is black and white or anything else. Only that it is now clear that the foul did happen.

What part of all that are you whining about?

Wow, just wow.

You know there is contact between the WR and CB's about 90% of the time, going back and forth, right?

The rules in most professional sports are not typically called by the letter of the law. And there is always a grey area.

So if the DB was trying to grab him and he pushed his hands away, then by the letter of the law, it's a penalty. Now in my opinion, that will never be called because it's the usual back and forth that goes on between a receiver and a corner.

I just thought you would have realized there is a grey area between the letter of the law and the way it was called.

[transplant99]

Wow, just wow.

Indeed.

You know there is contact between the WR and CB's about 90% of the time, going back and forth, right?

yes, quite aware, though i have zero idea what that has to do with ANYTHING I have said.

The rules in most professional sports are not typically called by the letter of the law. And there is always a grey area.

Agreed, and have said nothing to the contrary.

So if the DB was trying to grab him and he pushed his hands away, then by the letter of the law, it's a penalty. Now in my opinion, that will never be called because it's the usual back and forth that goes on between a receiver and a corner.

OK...and?

I just thought you would have realized there is a grey area between the letter of the law and the way it was called.

Quite aware, and once again have said nothing different. Merely pointed out that White ADMITTED to commiting the foul which was a bone of contention among the talking heads and fans. Nothing more and nothing less.

What is it you are trying to argue about other than the sake of arguing?

[jayswin]

transplant99 is THE MOST abbrasive poster I have ever seen. Does anyone else feel kind of scared when they read his posts, even when they aren't directed at you?

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by transplant99

GS....he SAID he pushed him...didn't 'look' like he pushed him, didnt 'act' like like he pushed him, didnt go down easy to draw a flag....he pushed him.

Again...cant be argued unless he is lying, which makes no sense.

But, if it were the other way around the DB would get a personal foul for hitting someone in a contact sport.

Originally Posted by valo403

Actually it can be argued, because penalties are not black and white. Refs decide how much pushing and contact they're going to let go, for all you know the official saw this and let it go.

With instant replay; the officials don't have to worry about wrong/bad calls with the security blanked if they get the wrong call

Originally Posted by transplant99

fair enough...selling the push off has become quite a part of a DB's arsenal of late as well.

Waaa waaa waaa

Wr's have done this for years, Hell where do you think the Canucks got all their material from?

[KTown]

Originally Posted by transplant99

IMO there is no such thing as a cupcake schedule in the NFL. Besdies that you can only play who is on the schedule, though its obvious some are much tougher than others.

Even in their losses they havent given up much in the way of points. 17 to the Giants as an example....in NY. 23 pts to Seattle is the anomaly.

I agree though things get tougher from here on out for them and i hope they fold like a cheap tent.

On another note...has anyone played a tougher schedule in the NFL than the Ravens?

@ NY Jets
@ New England
@ Pittsburgh
@ Atlanta


Yikes.

Dolphins
@Green Bay
@ Baltimore
vs Pittsburgh
vs. Jets
vs. Pats

[rubecube]

Can anyone explain to me why the Giants are getting so much love right now? Nicks and Bradshaw have been great, but that offensive line is still suspect and Eli still throws way too many picks. The team has looked good for the last few weeks, but look at their schedule this year:

@ Carolina (1-7) W 31-18
@ Indy (5-3) L 38-14
vs. Tennessee (5-3) L 29-10
vs. Chicago (5-3) W 17-3
@ Houston (4-4) W 34-10
vs. Detroit (2-6) W 28-20
@ Dallas (1-7) W 41-35
@ Seattle (4-4) W 41-7

Their opponents have a combined record of 27-37. The teams they've beaten have a combined record of 17-31. The only team they've beaten with a winning record are the awful Chicago Bears.

And that "vaunted defense," has only managed to allow less than 20 points once against offenses that are ranked in the top-20 in scoring. Meanwhile, the only times New York's offense has put up more than 20 points in a game is when they've been playing defenses ranked 18th or lower in the NFL.

The Giants have also turned the ball over 22 times this season, ranking behind only Arizona and Carolina, with their turnover differential being -3 (7th in the league). Besides the Bears, they're the biggest frauds in the NFC.

[rubecube]

The sad thing is, unless Philly sweeps them, they'll still probably win the NFC East because they have the easiest schedule remaining. I don't see them dropping more than 3-4 the rest of the way.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Can anyone explain to me why the Giants are getting so much love right now?

They're in NY and sacks are sexy.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The sad thing is, unless Philly sweeps them, they'll still probably win the NFC East because they have the easiest schedule remaining. I don't see them dropping more than 3-4 the rest of the way.

You think so?

The Giants will face some pretty stiff tests inside their Conference here in the second half. They have the Eagles twice, Washington twice, Green Bay, Minnesota, and the Jaguars after they blow out Dallas tommorrow.

Your Eagles still get two gimmes against Dallas, The Texans and their awful defence in Philly, @ Chicago who can't protect their QB, plus the two head to head games with the Giants, and the Vikings at home.

Atlanta on the other hand has already played all the AFC games, their toughest Division game, and one of the other two tough games on their schedule. Their remaining schedule sees them play @ St.Louis, Green Bay, @Tampa, @Carolina, @Seattle, New Orleans, and Carolina. All their tougher games are at home.

Green Bay and New Orleans are still in the mix too for being the top team, but I think those teams will be in tough to post a better record than the Falcons or Giants. Realistically I think you can book the Giants, Eagles, Packers, Falcons, and Saints as being your playoff teams. Leaving only the winner of the NFC West to be determined, and come tommorrow evening that Division could have 3 teams at 4-5 and one at 3-6. Chicago, Minnesota, and Washington are all possibilities, but those teams all have major enough issues where I can't see them threatening the top 5.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PIMking

But, if it were the other way around the DB would get a personal foul for hitting someone in a contact sport.




With instant replay; the officials don't have to worry about wrong/bad calls with the security blanked if they get the wrong call




Waaa waaa waaa

Wr's have done this for years, Hell where do you think the Canucks got all their material from?

Huh? Instant replay doesn't apply to penalty calls.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by flameswin

transplant99 is THE MOST abbrasive poster I have ever seen. Does anyone else feel kind of scared when they read his posts, even when they aren't directed at you?

Need a kleenex sweetheart?

too funny.

Im truly curious as to how the Cowboys react this week. If ever there was a chance to indict "it was the coaches fault" theme and prove it, this is the perfect storm. Garrett has been the OC for this team the whole time Philips was head guy, so if it was all on WP and the players weren't playing for him, then it should be time to shine against their single biggest rival...no?

Another game I'm watching close is the Jets/Browns. In theory the allmighty NY'ers should go in and thump the Browns. No idea how it plays out, but Sanchez will start feeling a LOT of heat should they lose.

Pats/Steelers tonight should be another beauty...though I suspect the Steelers win that one, although they have some injury issues all of a sudden themselves.