04-07-2025, 02:22 PM
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#221
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Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN
He's 19.
No one said the expectation is that he saves their playoff hopes.
But he certainly couldn't hurt. He would make mistakes, 100%. You know who else makes mistakes? Bean, Miro and Pachal. You know what those three don't have? The offensive upside of ZP.
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Right, I'm not disagreeing, but you still need to let him practice with the team first.
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04-07-2025, 02:27 PM
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#222
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Because the Flames training staff should assess him and make sure he's not playing through anything that could set him back even longer.
Remember when Sam Bennett couldn't do a pullup because he was hiding a separated shoulder?
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Ok, but thats a physical. And he's clearly fine. If he put up those numbers battling anything that could derail an NHL debut at this point he's Superman.
Fitness testing would be making him do things like the V02 / Wingate bike tests. Completely unnecessary for a guy coming off a full season.
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04-07-2025, 02:32 PM
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#223
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by BigThief
Cale Makar is hardly the only player to make his debut late in the season or in the playoffs. Tom Wilson, Kasperi Kapanen, Jacob Silverberg, Charlie MacAvoy, Chris Kreider, Mark Stone etc, and much more examples of guys with only a few games.
The excuses not to play him just aren't valid. If the coaching staff feels he's mentally and physically ready to play a game, then he should play. All the other factors are horse####.
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How would the coaches assess this mentally and physically ready to play at this point in the season?
Quick chat?
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04-07-2025, 02:32 PM
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#224
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Toonage
Ok, but thats a physical. And he's clearly fine. If he put up those numbers battling anything that could derail an NHL debut at this point he's Superman.
Fitness testing would be making him do things like the V02 / Wingate bike tests. Completely unnecessary for a guy coming off a full season.
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Ah. Gotcha. Agreed.
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04-07-2025, 02:33 PM
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#225
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
Yeah but there's a lot of miles of real estate between not playing him tonight and not playing him once over the final 6 games.
If he doesn't play tonight I can understand why not. If they're officially toast with two games left and he isn't played I'd be pretty annoyed.
I think Wednesday is the more logical choice for him to make his debut.
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This 100%.
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04-07-2025, 02:36 PM
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#226
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Franchise Player
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oh he's playing this season I don't think there is any doubt short of an injury
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04-07-2025, 02:39 PM
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#227
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
How would the coaches assess this mentally and physically ready to play at this point in the season?
Quick chat?
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Yes, a quick chat. He's already been playing hockey. There's no reason to think he's not physically ready to play. How are you suggesting they mentally assess his ready to play level besides talking to him?
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04-07-2025, 02:41 PM
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#228
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
LOL he is not going through fitness testing. He would likely get a physical like most players do joining a new team, but it's ridiculous to think he would go through fitness testing.
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I can't believe the hoops some are going through to justify them not playing a young player. Like just endless excuse after excuse.
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04-07-2025, 02:47 PM
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#229
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Niceland
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He could be a bust. Never got his team very far in the playoffs.
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04-07-2025, 02:52 PM
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#230
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigThief
Yes, a quick chat. He's already been playing hockey. There's no reason to think he's not physically ready to play. How are you suggesting they mentally assess his ready to play level besides talking to him?
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I had a clockwork orange thing worked out in my head.
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04-07-2025, 02:54 PM
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#231
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigThief
I can't believe the hoops some are going through to justify them not playing a young player. Like just endless excuse after excuse.
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Or ...
As fun as the hoops and the excuses angle might be. Maybe people just disagree with you.
That a kid that looked well over his head in the preseason should probably have a practice or two to show he's improved for this level of play before you ...
a) throw him to the wolves
b) sit someone that has been through the wars for you all season
Believe it or not ... it doesn't feel like excuses and jumping through hoops to this side. It feels like a logical progression towards incorporating a young, great player by the end of the season.
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04-07-2025, 02:58 PM
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#232
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Scoring Winger
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I don't see why he won't play: if they're fighting for a playoff spot, it will be important experience for him and if they're out, it'll be an extended training camp before the rust of summer hits.
Interestingly, there were some legitimate questions whether Makar would play during the 2019 playoffs, as it meant he would have to be protected in the 2021 expansion draft. The Girard injury likely sealed it.
https://www.milehighhockey.com/2019/...rado-avalanche
Imagine adding the expansion draft drama to this discussion too.
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04-07-2025, 03:01 PM
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#233
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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He will play a game or two this season. It's just a matter of which. Huskas style isn't going to let him Dress Parekh tonight. As much as I personally believe they could really use his offense for every single game, just don't see tonight being the start of the kids NHL career. Huska and Conny are a pragmatic bunch.
Long and short, it means absolutely nothing what you or I believe, just use your common sense, use the information available to you and if you're paying attention to who the people are running this team we cheer for, you already know the answer before you even asked the question openly.
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04-07-2025, 03:06 PM
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#234
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I had a clockwork orange thing worked out in my head.
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It was a serious question.
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04-07-2025, 03:10 PM
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#235
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: stuck in BC watching the nucks
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The kid hasn't played against NHL competition since camp and that isn't proper NHL competition either, so he really should have a chance to get up to speed, not thrown into a game unprepared. At last a practice or two and let the coaches decide from there. It shouldn't be a decision made right now.
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04-07-2025, 03:10 PM
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#236
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Or ...
As fun as the hoops and the excuses angle might be. Maybe people just disagree with you.
That a kid that looked well over his head in the preseason should probably have a practice or two to show he's improved for this level of play before you ...
a) throw him to the wolves
b) sit someone that has been through the wars for you all season
Believe it or not ... it doesn't feel like excuses and jumping through hoops to this side. It feels like a logical progression towards incorporating a young, great player by the end of the season.
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I mean it sure feels like excuses when one side brought up Cale Makar, then the other acted like it was unheard of and he's the only one ever that's done that. Every reason why he should is meet with a roadblock, including not wanting to split up..Joel Hanley. Those are excuses and looking for reasons not to play a young player.
If anyone actually started with saying they'd like to see him in a practice or two first then sure, that I can understand. But questioning is physically and mental preparation going in and saying it would be "irresponsible" to play him is pure nonsesne.
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04-07-2025, 03:13 PM
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#237
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Originally Posted by Big Erned Nevergivn
What am I missing? The flames are effectively eliminated... From what I see, if the flames win every game, then even if minny goes 500, we still lose out to the RW tiebreaker. Correct me if I am wrong.
The likelihood that we go undefeated is effectively 0%, and even during Minny's bad stretch recently, over their last 10 they are still playing at .500 points percentage.
Great season overall, but time to play the kids IMO.
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Yeah agree with you that the season is done, just not sure the team sees it that way. Maybe Parekh will get in right away? I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a string of practices first before his games though. Just my thoughts
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04-07-2025, 03:16 PM
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#238
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Who cares about reality when "honor" and "guys who have gone to war!" are on the line here!
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04-07-2025, 03:17 PM
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#239
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First Line Centre
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Did Parekh join the main team yet?
If so, I would have guessed that the Flames won't throw him in right now in these "must-win" games. I think Parekh will only see action if the team is eliminated (I hope this won't happen) or clinced a playoff spot (after 4 straight wins combined with a couple Wild losses)...
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04-07-2025, 03:24 PM
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#240
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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The way I see it, it's all upside to get Parekh in ASAP, when the games still matter:
- He's one of the four best D in the Flames entire organization
- It doesn't burn his rookie year in his ELC
- It gives him exposure to a playoff race and all that entails
Hell, even if he plays very sheltered minutes and gets some prime PP time, he's unquestionably adding a skillset the team doesn't have. The kid's got confidence in spades, now see what he can do.
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