[Trade] Trouba to Ducks for Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

How did Kane get a clause with virtually zero leverage from the doghouse?

That team is so incompetent.

I mean, if you're a GM and Evander Kane wants a no trade clause, do you actually say no?

Kane: I want a no trade clause. I don't want you to trade me away whenever you want.

GM: Do...do you actually think that's something I could do.....Like, other teams might want you?

Kane: Yeah, and I want one of those rocks that protects me from tigers, and you can't serve any unicorn meat at team meals

GM: Sure buddy, whatever you want.

[Locke]

I think most reasonable people would just taze him on sight.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think those guys could be convinced. And the two most attractive to contenders - Coleman and Andersson, are limited. Andersson has a 6 team NTC and Coleman has a 10 team approved list. Kadri and Weegar have full control, but I neother of them are really trade bait due to their term/salary combos.

I can’t see them going to Buffalo etc. The desperate bubble teams will pay the most

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Kadri cheap shotted him and Trouba destroyed Kadri. Then Trouba destroyed Tkachuck Dube when he attempted to stick up for Kadri.

A year later Trouba wrecks Pelts.

I wish Trouba would have waived to come here. None of those hits were dirty. I’d love to have a player like that on the team. It also means he wouldn’t be pulverizing our kids.

Makes sense the Rags would move him West for that same reason. Reduce number of times per year he has an opportunity to extract revenge for this fiasco.

For folks saying he is too dirty for Flames: We lost any fan base high ground when we signed and supported Marchment and Bert.

fyp.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Does it? Around half the players with over 400 games in the NHL have NMC/NTCs.

It's less than half the league. If the PA wants to eat their young again, they are beyond help.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But there is little to nothing they can do, with respect to dollars. There is no chance the bar is moving up from 50% of HRR, unless the players gave the owners massive concessions in other areas. Massive.



The best the players can hope for, with respect to total dollars, is to retain the 50% level for HRR.

Expansion fees. % of jersey sales on a per player basis. There's two off the top of my head.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The NFL and NBA just reduced the players share in the last CBA. I think we have a better chance seeing that happen in the NHL not them adding to the HRR basket.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Expansion fees. % of jersey sales on a per player basis. There's two off the top of my head.

Expansion fees are a function of a new owner buying into the business. They aren't revenues, and the owners are not going to share them with players.

If jersey sales aren't part of HRR, I could see the PA pushing for their inclusion. Regardless, I fail to see how that impacts the conversation we were having. I am confident that the PA could ask for that, and other items, at the same time.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://brotherlypuck.com/2023/07/12...-sports-world/

I found this which shows 1 NBA player with trade protection, a handful of NFL players, 35 MLB players and over 200 in the NHL.

Yeah but NFL players get guaranteed contracts while NHL players have to..... oh wait

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://brotherlypuck.com/2023/07/12...-sports-world/

I found this which shows 1 NBA player with trade protection, a handful of NFL players, 35 MLB players and over 200 in the NHL.

The real reason the NHL has NTC like crazy compared to other sports is because of the Canada/US dynamic. Lots of players initially didn't want to play in small market Canada and today it's spiralled into all of Canada and the lesser desirable US locations. Only the NHL would set up a hard cap system to protect Canadian and less desirable markets and then enable NTC's most of which are full of Canadian teams and small market US teams. It's out of control and IMO the next CBA should place a limit on the amount of NTC's a team can hand out. It's one thing to have a NTC on a franchise player but when middle of the lineup players can dictate where they are traded, it's gotten out of control. It's ridiculous as you have players from Timbuktu Finland that seem to think playing in Calgary for millions is beneath him? Please!

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Regardless, I fail to see how that impacts the conversation we were having.

It has everything to do with what we were discussing. Your position is that there was no room for negotiating on finances. I put forward two suggestions that I have heard in the media where there is room to discuss.

Marty Walsh has suggested that the expansion fees should be shared with the NHLPA.

I forget who it was now, but I read someone musing about how the NCAA NIL money would apply to the NHL context and they suggested that a part of the process of named jersey sales go directly to the player.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

It has everything to do with what we were discussing. Your position is that there was no room for negotiating on finances. I put forward two suggestions that I have heard in the media where there is room to discuss.

Marty Walsh has suggested that the expansion fees should be shared with the NHLPA.

I forget who it was now, but I read someone musing about how the NCAA NIL money would apply to the NHL context and they suggested that a part of the process of named jersey sales go directly to the player.

JC no, that is not my position.

Here's the conversation: the topic is whether NMCs will be a topic of discussion in the next CBA. You took the position that the PA will be too busy with financial matters. While I disagreed with your assessments (no chance expansion fees are shared, regardless of what Marty Walsh may have said), I said that the PA is capable of bringing more than one item to the table (which is simply Negotiations 101 BTW). Now you have come to the conclusion above in bold.

You have no idea what you're even talking about. I'm done with this.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You have no idea what you're even talking about. I'm done with this.

Neither do you.

I don't even know why I bother interacting with you. All you do is constantly move goal posts and raise strawman arguments.

Good riddance

[Toonage]

On topic, has Trouba concussed or attempted to murder anyone yet?

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://brotherlypuck.com/2023/07/12...-sports-world/

I found this which shows 1 NBA player with trade protection, a handful of NFL players, 35 MLB players and over 200 in the NHL.

Only 35 MLB players, but if you're an MLB player with 10 years in the league and 5 with the same team, you automatically get trade protection.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transac...0-and-5-rights

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Only 35 MLB players, but if you're an MLB player with 10 years in the league and 5 with the same team, you automatically get trade protection.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transac...0-and-5-rights

Which is a great rule - the protection is earned (as opposed to adding it to every contract as a throw-in.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The real reason the NHL has NTC like crazy compared to other sports is because of the Canada/US dynamic. Lots of players initially didn't want to play in small market Canada and today it's spiralled into all of Canada and the lesser desirable US locations. Only the NHL would set up a hard cap system to protect Canadian and less desirable markets and then enable NTC's most of which are full of Canadian teams and small market US teams. It's out of control and IMO the next CBA should place a limit on the amount of NTC's a team can hand out. It's one thing to have a NTC on a franchise player but when middle of the lineup players can dictate where they are traded, it's gotten out of control. It's ridiculous as you have players from Timbuktu Finland that seem to think playing in Calgary for millions is beneath him? Please!

It's only going to get worse with more and more players coming out of the NCAA system.