[Trade] Trouba to Ducks for Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick

[Locke]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Feelings about Trouba aside for a moment…

What an awful way to treat your captain. Doubly so given the team is performing well. Brutal look for the Rangers IMO. I hope players remember this. There’s something to be said for how a team treats their players. This is a terrible look for their organization from a human perspective. Less than 3 weeks before Christmas too.

I get that they wanted out of his contract but there’s better ways to approach it than this. Really weak move by the Rangers.

I hope you're right. Every little boy whose dream it is to play for the storied New York Rangers should keep this incident in their minds.

But they wont. Its the New York Rangers. They could have pushed Trouba in front of a Bus on Broadway at Lunch and stopped to take photos with his Corpse and it wouldnt change a thing.

The Rangers can get away with anything.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

The league let him off the hook time and time again because played for the Rags, now, he is playing for the Quacks and if he so much breathe on McDiver or Pissy, the league will throw the book at him. I guess it's win win if he smash McDrai and cost them to miss a few games and the league suspense him a few games.

He was making similar hits in Winnipeg too. I agree though if he nails either of the greasers he’ll be suspended but as a flames fan that scenario is a win win.

[Badgers Nose]

Kadri cheap shotted him and Trouba destroyed Kadri. Then Trouba destroyed Tkachuck when he attempted to stick up for Kadri.

A year later Trouba wrecks Pelts.

I wish Trouba would have waived to come here. None of those hits were dirty. I’d love to have a player like that on the team. It also means he wouldn’t be pulverizing our kids.

Makes sense the Rags would move him West for that same reason. Reduce number of times per year he has an opportunity to extract revenge for this fiasco.

For folks saying he is too dirty for Flames: We lost any fan base high ground when we signed and supported Marchment and Bert.

[activeStick]

A thread from someone who apparently has negotiated NHL contracts before, on NHL clauses in general.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1865414590168707085

[Ped]

Good points. The expiration of the NMC was negotiated. This is how the system works.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Ped

Good points. The expiration of the NMC was negotiated. This is how the system works.

This point of his was also interesting.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1865415823101194440

[DoubleK]

It will be interesting to see if this is an item the players want to negotiate on during the next CBA. I suspect not as NMC/NTC only applies to a small percentage of the PA. The majority of the PA will be focused on $$$$$

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by devo22

pretty tired of the "wish we could sell off Huberdeau" posts in general tbh. I get that he hasn't lived up to the contract (duh), but selling him off for nothing doesn't solve anything. It doesn't improve the team, and we're not in need of the cap space either.

Disagree.
We wouldn't have to watch him, which would be worth millions of others' money.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

It will be interesting to see if this is an item the players want to negotiate on during the next CBA. I suspect not as NMC/NTC only applies to a small percentage of the PA. The majority of the PA will be focused on $$$$$

But there is little to nothing they can do, with respect to dollars. There is no chance the bar is moving up from 50% of HRR, unless the players gave the owners massive concessions in other areas. Massive.

The best the players can hope for, with respect to total dollars, is to retain the 50% level for HRR.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

It will be interesting to see if this is an item the players want to negotiate on during the next CBA. I suspect not as NMC/NTC only applies to a small percentage of the PA. The majority of the PA will be focused on $$$$$

Does it? Around half the players with over 400 games in the NHL have NMC/NTCs.

[Vinny01]

The NHL is the only league where we see middle and bottom of the roster players getting some form of trade protection. I think the NTC/NMC is bad for the business of hockey and I wish they would scrap it outside of the the true franchise talents. The Rangers can treat players like crap but guys want to live in NYC and play at MSG so they can do what they want and it won’t hurt the market desirability. Hasn’t hurt Vegas either who ruthlessly has moved on from players.

I do wonder how the Flames fortunes may have changed if Kadri did not block the Flames trade in the summer of 2019? Do they find a way to beat the Oilers in 2022 having Kadri down the middle instead of Jarnkrok?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The NHL is the only league where we see middle and bottom of the roster players getting some form of trade protection. I think the NTC/NMC is bad for the business of hockey and I wish they would scrap it outside of the the true franchise talents. The Rangers can treat players like crap but guys want to live in NYC and play at MSG so they can do what they want and it won’t hurt the market desirability. Hasn’t hurt Vegas either who ruthlessly has moved on from players.

I do wonder how the Flames fortunes may have changed if Kadri did not block the Flames trade in the summer of 2019? Do they find a way to beat the Oilers in 2022 having Kadri down the middle instead of Jarnkrok?

It will never happen but I'd love for their to be a hard limit for each team on trade clauses

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The NHL is the only league where we see middle and bottom of the roster players getting some form of trade protection. I think the NTC/NMC is bad for the business of hockey and I wish they would scrap it outside of the the true franchise talents. The Rangers can treat players like crap but guys want to live in NYC and play at MSG so they can do what they want and it won’t hurt the market desirability. Hasn’t hurt Vegas either who ruthlessly has moved on from players.

I do wonder how the Flames fortunes may have changed if Kadri did not block the Flames trade in the summer of 2019? Do they find a way to beat the Oilers in 2022 having Kadri down the middle instead of Jarnkrok?

I suppose even if you limited players with NTCs to 4 or 5 per team Kadri might have had one. Of course Kadri wasn't even trying to avoid Calgary - he was trying to nix any trade at all. It worked out for him though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It will never happen but I'd love for their to be a hard limit for each team on trade clauses

Was curious so I looked and Toronto has 12 guys with some sort of clause right now. Crazy.

Even Calgary has 8. Oilers only have 7 (but they gave a clause to Evander Kane LOL).

Ottawa only has 3.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Was curious so I looked and Toronto has 12 guys with some sort of clause right now. Crazy.

Even Calgary has 8. Oilers only have 7 (but they gave a clause to Evander Kane LOL).

Ottawa only has 3.

How did Kane get a clause with virtually zero leverage from the doghouse?

That team is so incompetent.

[Vinny01]

https://brotherlypuck.com/2023/07/12...-sports-world/

I found this which shows 1 NBA player with trade protection, a handful of NFL players, 35 MLB players and over 200 in the NHL.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Was curious so I looked and Toronto has 12 guys with some sort of clause right now. Crazy.

Even Calgary has 8. Oilers only have 7 (but they gave a clause to Evander Kane LOL).

Ottawa only has 3.

They’ve become far more common in recent years. Most veteran players signing a significant ($3 mil+) contract have trade protection now.

Half the trades for roster players bandied around on this forum would be nixed. It really does make managing a small-market team in the NHL managing in hard mode.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

They’ve become far more common in recent years. Most veteran players signing a significant ($3 mil+) contract have trade protection now.

Half the trades for roster players bandied around on this forum would be nixed. It really does make managing a small-market team in the NHL managing in hard mode.

Well, in Calgary's case, most trade targets have no protection because most of them are still on ELCs.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, in Calgary's case, most trade targets have no protection because most of them are still on ELCs.

Yeah, but it is going to be hard for them to trade Kadri, Weegar, and Coleman if they wanted to and Andersson likely has the bubble teams that would want him on his NTC.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, but it is going to be hard for them to trade Kadri, Weegar, and Coleman if they wanted to and Andersson likely has the bubble teams that would want him on his NTC.

I think those guys could be convinced. And the two most attractive to contenders - Coleman and Andersson, are limited. Andersson has a 6 team NTC and Coleman has a 10 team approved list. Kadri and Weegar have full control, but I neother of them are really trade bait due to their term/salary combos.