Should the Flames offer sheet Dylan Holloway?

[Owen15]

Name a team never mind the Flames that would bother. Thinking none. And you think even if you offered terms he’d sign and play Edmonton regularly?

This thread is trending stupid.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Offer sheet Byfield.

I can't imagine an offer sheet he would accept that wouldn't include next year's 1st rounder, which had conditions on it and isn't in play.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Name a team never mind the Flames that would bother. Thinking none. And you think even if you offered terms he’d sign and play Edmonton regularly?

This thread is trending stupid.

A player not willing to sign because he'd have to play his old team regularly is what's trending stupid. They are professionals and money talks.

[Owen15]

Sure dude.

It’s hilarious to watch you defending your entrenched view.

Makes the summer CP craziness less cannibal.

[Owen15]

This forum is filled with smart and sometimes well connected posters.

Who categorically shot down your notion of offer sheeting Dylan Holloway.

He’s not worth the carnage reputation wise to CC even if he would sign an offer sheet.

Which he won’t.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cappy

These would definitely be better players to obtain, but each of these players would cost more (i.e. higher draft pick) or would be more easily matched due to their importance to the team and the team's cap space.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The cost to offer sheet those players would be massive. And those teams would match.

The whole point with Holloway is that A) the cost is reasonable, and B) it would be difficult for the Oilers to match.

It is extremely rare that an offer sheet provides the opportunity to acquire a player at both a reasonable price AND a reasonable cap hit. This is that rare opportunity, because Holloway is definitely worth a 2nd

Many of those teams are already underwater or close to the cap

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Now, this is interesting. Robertson sucks, does he? Roughly the same age as Holloway, almost identical ice time / game (Holloway averaged precisely one second less), similar situation (young player trying to break into a deep forward group). Despite Holloway having a significant physical advantage, Robertson scored at exactly double the rate (0.48PPG vs 0.24PPG) with similar team-relative underlying numbers (Holloway's a little better). So, at best, Holloway is equivalent to Robertson.

Would any of you Holloway boosters give up a second rounder--an early second, no less--for Nick Robertson?

Are we comparing a 5’9 167 lbs scoring winger who scored 0.48 PPG in the regular season and zero points (0.00 PPG) in 6 games in the playoffs with a 6’1, 205 lbs forward who scored 0.28 PPG in the playoffs. They are two different players who bring two different skill sets. I would never give up a 2nd round pick for Robertson but I would gladly for the skillset that Holloway brings to the table.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Are we comparing a 5’9 167 lbs scoring winger who scored 0.48 PPG in the regular season and zero points (0.00 PPG) in 6 games in the playoffs with a 6’1, 205 lbs forward who scored 0.28 PPG in the playoffs. They are two different players who bring two different skill sets. I would never give up a 2nd round pick for Robertson but I would gladly for the skillset that Holloway brings to the table.

Right on! I think Robertson is another Czarnik.

[CsInMyBlood]

I actually dont mind this idea because the Oilers are so strapped for cash it will hurt them.

We have the capspace. I dont think anybody knows what his ceiling is at this point. If Holloway turns into a player then jackpot. If he doesn't, at least we tried something and he can be launched into the sun.

Draft picks are currency. When you have so many you cant use them all to draft because you simply wont have room for all the prospects.

[McG]

No. If he makes flames better in the next 2 years then that’s bad…even a few points difference matters at the top of the draft board. Those in favour believe that Holloway makes the flames better otherwise why do it? Perhaps some forget that flames need to finish bottom 10? Not sure why flames are trying to get better in a draft class where flames need better C prospects from the first pick.

If he doesn’t make the flames better then why do it at all? Keep the 2nd round pick especially as it’s likely to be high. More picks, more magic beans. Not worried in the slightest about “too many” young players in the flames system.

Would oilies trade Holloway for a second?

[Phaneuf_Phan]

I want to see more debate between the posters who say Holloway is too good so we don't want him to earn the team more points in the standings and mess up our draft order vs. the posters who think he sucks

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Owen15

He’s not worth the carnage reputation wise to CC even if he would sign an offer sheet.

Which he won’t.

There's little to no reputation risk to Connie, either he works out great or they took a low risk.

[Tbull8]

I think it was Bob Stauffer thinking the oilers will get them signed for ~1M each…. Good luck

[McG]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

I want to see more debate between the posters who say Holloway is too good so we don't want him to earn the team more points in the standings and mess up our draft order vs. the posters who think he sucks

What debate is there? Once there’s agreement that flames won’t make the playoffs, flames must finish bottom 10 or they lose the pick. Assuming that panthers are a division winner, flames not finishing bottom 10 means that the first round pick would be 28 to 32.

If you believe that Holloway moves the needle and thus Flames get more points, you start to create risk. Even if it’s not out of the bottom 10, this is the draft where Flames can get a chance at a franchise centre.

On the one hand it’s Treliving’s “lovely parting gift”, and on the other it’s clearly a direction that Flames must follow to protect the pick.

And if Holloway doesn’t move the needle then there’s no point in doing it.

This is the chance of a Franchise Centre. It’s not worth the risk.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by McG

No. If he makes flames better in the next 2 years then that’s bad…even a few points difference matters at the top of the draft board. Those in favour believe that Holloway makes the flames better otherwise why do it? Perhaps some forget that flames need to finish bottom 10? Not sure why flames are trying to get better in a draft class where flames need better C prospects from the first pick.

If he doesn’t make the flames better then why do it at all? Keep the 2nd round pick especially as it’s likely to be high. More picks, more magic beans. Not worried in the slightest about “too many” young players in the flames system.

Would oilies trade Holloway for a second?

The Oilers would not trade Holloway for a 2nd, that is sort of the indicator that the Flames would be coming out ahead in the transaction.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Oilers would not trade Holloway for a 2nd, that is sort of the indicator that the Flames would be coming out ahead in the transaction.

Not necessarily since each team has different needs right now. The oilers need cheap, cost controlled contracts to fill in spots on the roster and have little need for a second round draft pick today (the future is another story). Flames are in a bit of the opposite situation for now.

Both teams would actually potentially lose in that transaction.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Oilers would not trade Holloway for a 2nd, that is sort of the indicator that the Flames would be coming out ahead in the transaction.

How do you know that? Did you ask them?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Oilers would not trade Holloway for a 2nd, that is sort of the indicator that the Flames would be coming out ahead in the transaction.

Holloway is basically Lazar at this point. A second would be more than fair value.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I think it was Bob Stauffer thinking the oilers will get them signed for ~1M each…. Good luck

Stauffer is no better than Spector, a complete homer idiot.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I think it was Bob Stauffer thinking the oilers will get them signed for ~1M each…. Good luck

I believe its possible if not likely actually- the message to both is along the lines of look we really like you but you didn't really establish yourselves in the regular season, there are roster spots waiting for you on the BESTEST TEAM EVER guaranteed Stanley, but not if your asking price is too high




these will be one year deals for them to bet on themselves- which may ultimately backfire on the Oilers (see Nurse, Bouchbomb) even sorta happened with McLeod although because he's less good the next deal after the one year wasn't crippling (but still priced him out of town)