Submarine Tour to Titanic Missing

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Spoiler!

I finally get it. $250K for the rare opportunity to have a toilet with a view of the Titanic. Nobody else gets to take a dump with this view.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

the column is from a rag, but I believe the info.
hopefully we'll hear form better news sources.

OceanGate REFUSED to put missing Titan sub through independent inspection process and also fired director in 2018 after he asked for more rigorous safety tests

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-concerns.html

OceanGate bosses fired David Lochridge, who was Director of Marine operations for the Titan project, in 2018 after it disagreed with his demand for more rigorous safety checks on the submersible, including 'testing to prove its integrity'.

The company also opted against having the craft 'classed', an industry-wide practice whereby independent inspectors ensure vessels meet accepted technical standards.

Classification involves recruiting an independent organization to ensure vessels like ships and submersibles meet industry-wide technical standards. It is a crucial way of ensuring a vessel is fit to operate.

In a blog post titled 'Why Isn't Titan Classed?', OceanGate suggested classification would take too long.

"'Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation.'"

The BBC is reporting the same thing now:

A submarine expert who worked for Oceangate – the company that operates the missing submersible – warned of potential safety problems in 2018, according to US court documents.

David Lochridge moved from Scotland to Washington state to work for the firm. In a BBC interview in 2017 he enthused about the mission and said it was "destined for the sea".

But less than a year later he warned his bosses that flaws in the Titan's carbon hull might go undetected without more stringent testing, and urged the company to have an outside agency certify the vessel.

He said his verbal warnings were ignored until he wrote a report and was called into a meeting with several officials - including OceanGate chief executive Stockton Rush, who is aboard the missing submersable.

Oceangate responded by firing Lochridge. The company sued him for revealing confidential information, and the submarine expert countersued for unfair dismissal. The lawsuit was later settled. Through his lawyer, Lochridge declined to comment today.

Court documents also state that Lochridge learned that the manufacturers of the Titan’s forward viewport only certified it to a depth of 1,300 metres. The Titanic wreck lies 3,800 metres below the ocean surface.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941

[powderjunkie]

It's easiest to imagine the physical discomfort and psychological mind####ery of reconciling your very likely death, but the social dynamics down there must be fascinating. Especially considering the composition of the group to include a few mega-rich people and a captain with the hubris to undertake this venture.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's easiest to imagine the physical discomfort and psychological mind####ery of reconciling your very likely death, but the social dynamics down there must be fascinating. Especially considering the composition of the group to include a few mega-rich people and a captain with the hubris to undertake this venture.

Smells like a 6 part Netflix series.

[D as in David]

Not to mention, as someone alluded to earlier, fewer living people in the sub would extend the oxygen stores for a longer period.

That would explain why the banging has stopped - they're not necrophiliac monsters!!

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Smells like a 6 part Netflix series.

Working title: Who Farted?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Smells like a 6 part Netflix series.

Sets up well for canceling the series after one season.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's easiest to imagine the physical discomfort and psychological mind####ery of reconciling your very likely death, but the social dynamics down there must be fascinating. Especially considering the composition of the group to include a few mega-rich people and a captain with the hubris to undertake this venture.

I can't imagine the father who brought his son with him. It's one thing to put yourself in that situation, but it's another putting your teen in that situation. Sure, the kid is technically an adult, but I couldn't imagine putting my kid no matter what age, into an experimental craft in probably the most dangerous place on the planet just for ####s and giggles. I imagine the guilt right now would be crippling.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Smells like a 6 part Netflix series.

I would imagine it will become a movie script some day. Maybe another Spielberg film.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I can't imagine the father who brought his son with him. It's one thing to put yourself in that situation, but it's another putting your teen in that situation. Sure, the kid is technically an adult, but I couldn't imagine putting my kid no matter what age, into an experimental craft in probably the most dangerous place on the planet just for ####s and giggles. I imagine the guilt right now would be crippling.

I don't think he is feeling or felt any guilt. With the amount of search already done and no sign of the craft I am betting this thing imploded at some point.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I can't imagine the father who brought his son with him. It's one thing to put yourself in that situation, but it's another putting your teen in that situation. Sure, the kid is technically an adult, but I couldn't imagine putting my kid no matter what age, into an experimental craft in probably the most dangerous place on the planet just for ####s and giggles. I imagine the guilt right now would be crippling.

What if the son begged his father to take him along? I could see a sinerio like that. I would guess both had to read and sign the waver forms, knowing full well of the dangers involved.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Dion

I would imagine it will become a movie script some day. Maybe another Spielberg film.

I believe James Cameron is writing the second part right now. Hollywood likes sequels right?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think he is feeling or felt any guilt. With the amount of search already done and no sign of the craft I am betting this thing imploded at some point.

I'd have had my money on that, too, until those reports of banging came out

[Dion]

Former Titan submersible passenger who visited the Titanic said he knew he might die and that 'nobody walked into this thinking it was going to be a pleasure cruise'

Mike Reiss, a writer and producer for The Simpsons, told CNN that he knew the stakes were high when he took the same voyage in OceanGate's Titan submersible to visit the Titanic last year. Reiss said he had to sign a waiver beforehand which mentioned several times he could die.

"In every way it felt like being a Mercury astronaut. This wasn't a vacation. It wasn't tourism. It was exploration. And you're getting on a ship that's the best it could be, but they're learning as they go along," Reiss said. "You get on with a lot of excitement but just constant trepidation, constantly knowing this could be the end."

Reiss said he and his wife were supposed to go on the voyage but that she tested positive for COVID and had to stay behind.

"I kissed her goodbye knowing that that might be the last time I'd ever see her," he said, adding that "nobody walked into this thinking it was going to be a pleasure cruise, especially the experts involved."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/travel/new...46513991d&ei=8

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Dion

What if the son begged his father to take him along? I could see a sinerio like that. I would guess both had to read and sign the waver forms, knowing full well of the dangers involved.

Is this like the Vegas strip club version of “scenario”?

[Nyah]

I was just watching a video with a guy whose been on that submarine. He said even if they managed to make it to the surface they'd likely still suffocate unless found immediately, because the sub is sealed in by 17 bolts from the outside. Lots of fail safes to surface, zero ways to get out on your own. He also thinks it's likely that there was a breach and it imploded. I honestly hope that's the case, otherwise those poor ####s are bobbing away either in the surface or at the bottom of the ocean slowly running out of air. Nightmare scenario.

[powderjunkie]

Last few sentences of that Rolling Stone article

Until then we have a lot of preparations and briefings to do,” he wrote in the caption, and worried over whether the conditions would be right to begin the dive. He added, “More expedition updates to follow IF the weather holds!”

There must be some validity to it, but it's hard to see why weather should matter much? Maybe about finding the ship when they were supposed to come up?

[Dion]

Explorers recall danger, thrill of earlier dives to 'Everest of shipwrecks'

Lynch said that when he made the descent aboard the Russian-owned Mir submersibles, the practice was always to send two vessels down at once. That way, one could help if the other ran into trouble.

The descent took about two hours, he said. The submarine would be shut down to minimum power for the journey down, and then the pilot would power it up about 15 minutes before it reached the sea floor.

The Titan is said to have lost contact with its launch ship about an hour and 45 minutes after it began its descent. Lynch said though he's not familiar with its protocols, he wonders if the submersible also powered down for the descent and then was unable to power up when it got close to its destination.

Lynch said that on his voyage he asked what would happen if someone panicked due to claustrophobia and was told, very seriously, “the Russians keep a really big wrench in the submersible .... If somebody suddenly goes nuts, what do you do? All you can do is just knock them out.”

Toronto-based physician and undersea explorer Joe MacInnis recalled Tuesday a close call he had at the Titanic site in 1991 when the pilot of the Mir submersible he was in got one of the landing skids stuck under some wire on the ocean floor.

“It was the longest 30 minutes of my life," MacInnis said in an interview. "It was what we call a thick adrenalin moment."

What helped save him was having a second submersible nearby that came in to assess the situation. "The two sub pilots talked back and forth. And the second pilot helped our pilot get free of the tangle of wire — moving backwards, moving forwards .... We had this kind of self-rescue capability which made the difference, really made the difference," he said.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...6513991d&ei=44

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Nyah

I was just watching a video with a guy whose been on that submarine. He said even if they managed to make it to the surface they'd likely still suffocate unless found immediately, because the sub is sealed in by 17 bolts from the outside. Lots of fail safes to surface, zero ways to get out on your own. He also thinks it's likely that there was a breach and it imploded. I honestly hope that's the case, otherwise those poor ####s are bobbing away either in the surface or at the bottom of the ocean slowly running out of air. Nightmare scenario.

If I was designing a death tube like this that could run out of air even if I reach the surface, I just pack a battery powered drill that could drill through the carbon fiber shell or the viewing window to make an airhole - of course then water could get in and sink it all over again.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Dion

Former Titan submersible passenger who visited the Titanic said he knew he might die and that 'nobody walked into this thinking it was going to be a pleasure cruise'

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/travel/new...46513991d&ei=8

That guy is absolutely out his mind, batcrap nuts.

Everything I've seen and read about this sub?

I'd die laughing when they showed me that thing and then tell them it was a funny joke, but seriously, where is the real sub?