[Signing] Flames sign Kylington (2 yrs, $2.5 mil AAV)

[Bonded]

I am not sure why people are so hung up on the cap relief portion of his situation. The Flames haven't need to exceed the cap yet and there is no advantage to doing so until it is needed. He goes LTIR the day the space is needed in my opinion.



When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I’m just gonna respect Ollie and his privacy. He’ll be back when he’s back

[Yeah_Baby]

Dying laughing that the approach suggested instead of alleged "Bad PR" is essentially what they Flames have done. Just didn't give more detail that certain users feel entitled to.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I am not sure why people are so hung up on the cap relief portion of his situation. The Flames haven't need to exceed the cap yet and there is no advantage to doing so until it is needed. He goes LTIR the day the space is needed in my opinion.



When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.

It's probably the impact to daily accrued cap space for a deadline deal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Goriders

My guess is if he’s dealing with something significant enough that he has to take an extended leave of absence he probably doesn’t care what a number of keyboard jockeys think.



He’s probably trying to stay positive and deal with whatever the issue is.

This. Exactly.

My guess is that maintaining his public image is probably the last thing Kylington cares about right now. And I can't see how the decision to maintain radio silence can in any way be construed as a mistake. On the contrary, after Treliving's announcement at training camp it seems like the media has by and large abided with this request for privacy. THAT is what Kylington wanted. He doesn't care what Monohammer or any of the rest of us thinks, and that is as it should be.

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[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by VilleN

What if people knowing about the situation actually makes the situation worse for Kylington?

Which frankly only makes the mind wander. Totally understand and respect the need for privacy here, no doubt it's for a good reason. But when you're talking about a top 4 young D man on the city's biggest sports team that people are obsessed with, and it's month 4 of this unspoken absence with seemingly no end in sight (will he even play for the team ever again?), it's completely going to pique people's interest, which leads to speculation. Not sure why some seem so surprised by this.

I'm sure the eventual explanation will make it all make sense, but in the meantime it's frankly a bizarre situation happening to a fairly important member of the team from the outside. I definitely get why people are extremely curious and frustrated with it, while still respecting the player's privacy. I can see both sides on this one.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is a ridiculous situation. Either it's important/severe enough that the flames could demand some sort of cap relief... Or its not. In which case get your butt on the team bus.

Without any information to the contrary to rely on it is perfectly reasonable to assume that this is Kylington n treating the flames and flames fans shabbily. If the flames and Kylington feel this conclusion is unfair, then make an announcement.

God, this is so stupid.

As far as cap relief goes, I believe that LTIR is still an option for the team, but there is no need to trigger it at this point, since that is not really how LTIR works.

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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I am not sure why people are so hung up on the cap relief portion of his situation. The Flames haven't need to exceed the cap yet and there is no advantage to doing so until it is needed. He goes LTIR the day the space is needed in my opinion.



When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.

I don't think most people are talking about LTIR. They mean actual cap recovery for a player that needed a leave of absence and couldn't play for an entire season. That $2.5 million accrued over a season could have a major effect on what the GM can do. Not sure if that is even possible.

I mean, it is probably bad taste to even discuss and I feel bad. It is probably small compared to whatever OK is going through. This will be the last post about it for me. Just wanted to clarify.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think most people are talking about LTIR. They mean actual cap recovery for a player that needed a leave of absence and couldn't play for an entire season. That $2.5 million accrued over a season could have a major effect on what the GM can do. Not sure if that is even possible.

I mean, it is probably bad taste to even discuss and I feel bad. It is probably small compared to whatever OK is going through. This will be the last post about it for me. Just wanted to clarify.

Right, but I think the only way to do that is to cancel the player's contract. There is a mechanism in place to handle a situation like this, and it is LTIR. That's just the way it is.

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[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think most people are talking about LTIR. They mean actual cap recovery for a player that needed a leave of absence and couldn't play for an entire season. That $2.5 million accrued over a season could have a major effect on what the GM can do. Not sure if that is even possible.

I mean, it is probably bad taste to even discuss and I feel bad. It is probably small compared to whatever OK is going through. This will be the last post about it for me. Just wanted to clarify.

Yeah, but we can't really expect him to agree to a contract cancellation. I don't think anyone would in his shoes. Tolling his contract a year may be what ends up happening but only cap space the Flames get will be through LTIR or a toll

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think most people are talking about LTIR. They mean actual cap recovery for a player that needed a leave of absence and couldn't play for an entire season. That $2.5 million accrued over a season could have a major effect on what the GM can do. Not sure if that is even possible.

I mean, it is probably bad taste to even discuss and I feel bad. It is probably small compared to whatever OK is going through. This will be the last post about it for me. Just wanted to clarify.

I don't understand why discussing the status of a player under contract is in bad taste, business is business...regardless. If he needs a couple of years to right whatever is wrong then fine, but release the Flames from all obligations.

[dino7c]

As soon as the Flames need the cap space they can LTIR him so I don't think he is really holding them back...Flames management knows more than we do obviously.

Even if the plan is for him to come back for next season the Flames still want to hang on to the player/contract.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Yikes

I don't understand why discussing the status of a player under contract is in bad taste, business is business...regardless. If he needs a couple of years to right whatever is wrong then fine, but release the Flames from all obligations.

Why would he do that though, for the good of a billionaire? Flames signed him to a guaranteed contract and did not force him to report to camp. They had mechanisms to force the issue and did not use them. He should take the money while he can.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why would he do that though, for the good of a billionaire? Flames signed him to a guaranteed contract and did not force him to report to camp. They had mechanisms to force the issue and did not use them. He should take the money while he can.

And fair enough cuz business is business from his side as well. Cap space and keep the player...could we buy him out and then sign him to a lessor deal with "incentives" on the same day?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Right, but I think the only way to do that is to cancel the player's contract. There is a mechanism in place to handle a situation like this, and it is LTIR. That's just the way it is.

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If there is actually nothing physical going on, can they even use LTIR? If so, why wouldn't have Edmonton just said that Smith needed an absence instead of using the failed physical excuse?

The other way teams get cap space instead of cancelling a contract is using the SABHP, like what Columbus did with Texier, although that doesn't apply to Kylington either.

This situation seems so rare, that a mechanism was never put in place. If a player was going to miss a whole season, I wonder if the league could implement something on the fly. Obviously you wouldn't want teams taking advantage of such a mechanism, but if the player is having a serious problem and the team can't use him for an entire season and playoffs, I personally don't see a good reason why the player should apply to the cap.

[BoLevi]

I assume the Flames are not paying him his money. Are they? That would be crazy.

This situation is just bizarre. Obviously OK cares about what the "keyboard warriors" are saying, because he is the one insisting on keeping it quiet. I doubt that is driven by the Flames.

Flames fans are paying the price for whatever is going on. I don't feel entitled to any information, but I certainly feel entitled to think the whole thing is ridiculous. I'm sure whatever OK is going through is unfortunate, but I suspect I care about his personal life more or less the same amount he cares about mine.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I assume the Flames are not paying him his money. Are they? That would be crazy.

This situation is just bizarre. Obviously OK cares about what the "keyboard warriors" are saying, because he is the one insisting on keeping it quiet. I doubt that is driven by the Flames.

Flames fans are paying the price for whatever is going on. I don't feel entitled to any information, but I certainly feel entitled to think the whole thing is ridiculous. I'm sure whatever OK is going through is unfortunate, but I suspect I care about his personal life more or less the same amount he cares about mine.

Flames fans are paying the price?

For somebody who claims to not care about his personal life you sure are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[PepsiFree]

OK’s situation is costing me nothing as a fan. My god some of you act like entitled children when it comes to hockey players.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I assume the Flames are not paying him his money. Are they? That would be crazy.

My understanding is that he was never suspended or anything like that, so he is just considered a non-roster player and is still getting paid. Similar to how players take leaves of absence for bereavement or births, expect this one has been going for an extended period and may possibly be indefinite.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I assume the Flames are not paying him his money. Are they? That would be crazy.

This situation is just bizarre. Obviously OK cares about what the "keyboard warriors" are saying, because he is the one insisting on keeping it quiet. I doubt that is driven by the Flames.

Flames fans are paying the price for whatever is going on. I don't feel entitled to any information, but I certainly feel entitled to think the whole thing is ridiculous. I'm sure whatever OK is going through is unfortunate, but I suspect I care about his personal life more or less the same amount he cares about mine.

paying..the..price?