11-04-2021, 07:28 AM
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#221
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
I think the most surprising thing here is how quickly a lot of you have turned on Tkachuk.
He had one "off" year.
He is still the best all around player on the team.
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I haven't turned on Tkachuk. My opinion has never changed on him. I was never a huge fan of his antics and while I think he's a talented player he's always going to be a complementary guy because of his poor skating. Throw in the fact that he probably doesn't want to be a Flame for a minute longer than his contract permits and yeah he's not one of my favorite Flames because I feel he's going to be wearing the jersey of another team in a year or two.
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11-04-2021, 07:29 AM
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#222
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Sure, Buffalo wanted Krebs.
Let me ask you - how does Vegas have THE prospect while the Flames have a trash pile when Vegas has been better every single year by such a massive margin since they entered the league.
They have a significantly better management team.
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The Flames finished ahead of the Golden Knights that season. By 14 points. They took Krebs at 17 we took Pelletier at 26.
They aren’t that different of prospects tbh. Sometimes GM’s and scouts can get enamored with one guy
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11-04-2021, 07:29 AM
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#223
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Franchise Player
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I should be disappointed but this isn't surprising.
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11-04-2021, 07:29 AM
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#224
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Lol of course.
People say, it's not BT's fault, he didn't have what Buffalo wanted
Buffalo wanted quality
It's an indictment on BT that in the span of 8 years, he didn't build up an asset base that he could use in a trade like this when the chance came up
History going to remember this as an elite 1C getting moved for non elite, quantity
Swing and a miss, again
Can't wait to lose Gaudreau and Tkachuk over the next 12 months.
By then, we'll have 2 years left on Lindholm and Hanifin... our 1C/1D combo... and as much as I like them, that's weak sauce if the goal is to win the cup
BT's lucky the team started hot, it will take the heat off of him for now. Sutter's the reason the group is currently playing well. That will only go so far, for so long. We are still a team built around a tiny winger with lesser peices supporting him.
You could argue our 3 best players are all LW's
History not going to be kind to Boston Pizza I don't think
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11-04-2021, 07:31 AM
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#225
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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Originally Posted by flamesgod
How do you know they wanted Krebs so badly? How do you know they hold Krebs up on a pedestal? Do you know what the Flames offered?
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Because they traded for him.  Normally teams don’t trade their star centre franchise player for players they don’t want.
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11-04-2021, 07:31 AM
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#226
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL
Tuch has only been above 0.5PPG in 2 of his 4 seasons and his rates aren't anything special. He's a solid middle 6 on all teams but that's about it. Maybe top 6 on about 50%.
Not even close to comparable to Mangiapane
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I would take Tuch over Mangiapane ten times out of ten.
If you wanna compare 0.5 seasons Mangiapane has 1 in his last 4. Tuch is bigger and they're the same age.
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11-04-2021, 07:32 AM
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#227
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Franchise Player
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Well that sucks. Was in the midst of reading the other Eichel thread with about 5 pages left to go. Saw that it got locked and immediately got excited thinking it was finally happening.
Only to see stupid Vegas AGAIN get the big name. Man it sucks they are in our division. It's the NYR all over again except we get to play them with regularity, they have our number, has seemingly endless assets, and now get the big fish.
I'm sure BT tried his best. Lame ending to what might have been this organizations' only chance to get a legit top #1C for the foreseeable future and probably the duration of it's existence.
Wishing the trade implodes or laughing at VKG for their 'cap hell' is lame and reeks of pettiness.. I'd much rather it be us other teams were wishing implodes, or laughing at our cap crunch with Eichel's cap. Would mean we're doing something right. Not excited to face McD one night then Eichel the next for the next decade. Sigh.
Last edited by Huntingwhale; 11-04-2021 at 07:34 AM.
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11-04-2021, 07:32 AM
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#228
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Scoring Winger
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Really the only way this makes sense is if Eichel’s injury is bad. I would love to see his MRI!
Otherwise, I cannot fathom why another team wouldn’t have stepped up with a better offer, let alone the Flames.
Edit: if I were the Flames neurosurgeon and his films and clinical history were concerning to me, with this specific injury, what would I tell them? I would have stopped short of advising against the trade, but would have cautioned about investing too much into the player (trade/contract etc). Maybe that happened a lot around the league.
Last edited by 2macinnis2; 11-04-2021 at 07:36 AM.
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11-04-2021, 07:33 AM
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#229
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheoFleury
Lol of course.
People say, it's not BT's fault, he didn't have what Buffalo wanted
Buffalo wanted quality
It's an indictment on BT that in the span of 8 years, he didn't build up an asset base that he could use in a trade like this when the chance came up
History going to remember this as an elite 1C getting moved for non elite, quantity
Swing and a miss, again
Can't wait to lose Gaudreau and Tkachuk over the next 12 months.
By then, we'll have 2 years left on Lindholm and Hanifin... our 1C/1D combo... and as much as I like them, that's weak sauce if the goal is to win the cup
BT's lucky the team started hot, it will take the heat off of him for now. Sutter's the reason the group is currently playing well. That will only go so far, for so long. We are still a team built around a tiny winger with lesser peices supporting him.
You could argue our 3 best players are all LW's
History not going to be kind to Boston Pizza I don't think
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Man, we’re going full doomer mode now huh?
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11-04-2021, 07:34 AM
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#230
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja
Man, we’re going full doomer mode now huh?
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Do you think they will sign 5-8 year deals to stay long term? Be honest
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11-04-2021, 07:34 AM
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#231
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja
Man, we’re going full doomer mode now huh?
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We're no doubt losing one of them. They don't even like each other.
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11-04-2021, 07:34 AM
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#232
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Knightslayer
I would take Tuch over Mangiapane ten times out of ten.
If you wanna compare 0.5 seasons Mangiapane has 1 in his last 4. Tuch is bigger and they're the same age.
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Mangiapane's rates and overall impacts are significantly better.
Only thing Tuch has on him is size
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11-04-2021, 07:35 AM
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#233
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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I've met mushrooms with more evident critical reasoning skills than treliving has displayed over the last 6 years.
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11-04-2021, 07:35 AM
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#234
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Can anyone do a wellness check on Green Lantern2814?
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11-04-2021, 07:36 AM
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#235
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
I've met mushrooms with more evident critical reasoning skills than treliving has displayed over the last 6 years.
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Why didn't 30 other teams beat Vegas? And considering calgary was the other finalist, why didn't 29 other idiot GMs beat Treliving's offer.
Last edited by Knightslayer; 11-04-2021 at 07:38 AM.
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11-04-2021, 07:36 AM
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#236
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja
Man, we’re going full doomer mode now huh?
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I didn’t even want Eichel. If we got him I’d have to be happy. This way I can continue to whine and complain. That hot start threw me off for a bit, couldn’t #### on the players or coach anymore. But I’m back on the negative train now and I’ve got Tre in my sights. Nothing worse than being a happy optimistic sports fan.
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11-04-2021, 07:38 AM
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#237
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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Just woke up to this news, thank God. If the rumours were true yesterday, the ask had gotten way too nutty.. I'm a little disappointed, but way more relieved. Sorry to the Flames fans that were super pumped about acquiring him though
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11-04-2021, 07:39 AM
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#238
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja
Man, we’re going full doomer mode now huh?
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Yup, the negative posters were always going to have a field day with this once Vegas won the deal. Don't worry though, they would have had a field day if we had acquired Eichel with how we overpaid, he is broken, etc...
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11-04-2021, 07:39 AM
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#239
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatoon
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Because they traded for him. Normally teams don’t trade their star centre franchise player for players they don’t want. |
Because they traded for him, doesn’t mean the offer couldn’t have been beaten. Which is what most posters here are upset about.
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