[News] Giordano left unprotected in expansion draft

[Calgaryguy73]

I think this is just another example of roster mismanagement by BT. If it was a foregone conclusion that Gio was going to be exposed why didn't he trade him at the deadline rather than hoping for a miraculous run to make the playoffs? Everyone gets on Feaster for Iggy, but this is worse!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I believe Seattle can’t trade a selection back to their original team.

They can, however they cannot retain salary in the deal.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Calgaryguy73

I think this is just another example of roster mismanagement by BT. If it was a foregone conclusion that Gio was going to be exposed why didn't he trade him at the deadline rather than hoping for a miraculous run to make the playoffs? Everyone gets on Feaster for Iggy, but this is worse!

No demand for Gio unless salary retained. I guess Flames would rather lose him for nothing and free up $6.75M ….. that is actually not losing him for anything. Gio is not a $6.75M player and honestly should not be your top pairing guy. He’s a shell of himself.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Calgaryguy73

I think this is just another example of roster mismanagement by BT. If it was a foregone conclusion that Gio was going to be exposed why didn't he trade him at the deadline rather than hoping for a miraculous run to make the playoffs?

There would have been nothing miraculous about making the playoffs from where the Flames were in the standings. And owners have a way of not being very happy with GMs who deliberately sewer their team's results in mid-season without direct orders from above.

As I've said elsewhere, that decision was made a long way above Treliving's pay grade.

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

No demand for Gio unless salary retained. I guess Flames would rather lose him for nothing and free up $6.75M ….. that is actually not losing him for anything. Gio is not a $6.75M player and honestly should not be your top pairing guy. He’s a shell of himself.

That's another good reason.

Giordano probably had value as a rental, but not so much with a full year left on his contract. On the one hand, there are the cap-space tagging rules, which made him less desirable than if he was on an expiring contract. On the other hand, no contender was going to protect him in the expansion draft. So the acquiring team would have to make cap space next year for a player that they weren't even going to have next year. Such headaches make players significantly less attractive to GMs. When the player is 37 and overpaid to begin with, why even bother?

I agree that the Flames should not have traded Giordano with salary retained. Paying your 38-year-old captain not to play for you is an excellent way to get the worst of both worlds.

[Calgaryguy73]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

No demand for Gio unless salary retained. I guess Flames would rather lose him for nothing and free up $6.75M ….. that is actually not losing him for anything. Gio is not a $6.75M player and honestly should not be your top pairing guy. He’s a shell of himself.

But almost all analytics point to Gio still being a top pair D. He is not close to his Norris form but he is still an asset and Darryl upped his minutes once he came back. I mean you are right - the cap space will be nice - until BT signs a Brouwer or a Neal and flushes it all away

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Calgaryguy73

I think this is just another example of roster mismanagement by BT. If it was a foregone conclusion that Gio was going to be exposed why didn't he trade him at the deadline rather than hoping for a miraculous run to make the playoffs? Everyone gets on Feaster for Iggy, but this is worse!

This is overblown.

You're not getting much for Gio at his cap hit at 38 with a year plus remaining.

You'd likely be taking money back in order to get a mid round pick back for him (unless its to Edmonton tehe).

Again, playing him in his final season where he would still be decent or getting that cap hit taken clean off your hands at no cost are both probably more beneficial than a hypothetical deal would be.

I don't have an issue with hanging on to Gio at all.

Besides, Seattle would take someone else then, probably one of our young talents.

I'll take them using their pick on Gio, and putting that 6.75 towards this talented UFA pool. And if Gio looks to still have gas in the tank after this season, you might be able to bring him back home for cheap the following year and retire him a Flame.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I’m not 100%, just recall reading that somewhere recently in the context of the Vegas draft. I’ll have to see if I can find it again.

On further review, contrary to what I read earlier, it seems it can be done, but not planned before the draft.

https://twitter.com/user/status/879349670295764992

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Calgaryguy73

I mean you are right - the cap space will be nice - until BT signs a Brouwer or a Neal and flushes it all away

Since you have already decided that Brad Treliving is the most stupid human being in the universe, why would you trust him to make a trade at the deadline? He would only have traded Giordano for a Brouwer or a Neal and flushed it all away, hyurr hyurr.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Odd way to lose our Captain and still our best overall defenceman. I hope he gets flipped to a contender and wins a Cup.

This might make it possible for me to adopt Seattle as a second team.

I don't blame them at all for taking him, it's a good pick if you can stomach the hit which they can. And the Flames did the right thing exposing him.

It's time to move on and turn the page.

Hats off to our warrior of a captain. He did great here.

[Red_Baron]

For me, leaving him unprotected was the best decision for the future of the team but now that it is finally hapening, it sucks. We will be worse off without him, even if he is a bit expensive compared to the bargain he used to be.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Don't be sad that it's over, be happy that it happened!

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[united]

Originally Posted by colbym72

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From our pal @frank_seravalli on the DFO Rundown, regarding Mark Giordano and the Seattle Kraken:

"I think it's almost definitely Mark Giordano. In fact, I believe that Seattle has given Calgary an indication that they will indeed take Mark Giordano."

CJ saying the same thing in a radio hit tonight. Barring a deal, what a run by Gio. One of my favourite ever Flames, both on and off the ice.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1416961444176879618

[SebC]

Frankly, screw the expansion draft. There should be a free and automatic exemption for players who have played 15 seasons with one team.

[YourMother]

Originally Posted by SebC

Frankly, screw the expansion draft. There should be a free and automatic exemption for players who have played 15 seasons with one team.

I think we should also make an exception for 14 season vets as long as they ask nicely. That's how business should work, right?

[Mindtravellee]

Originally Posted by Calgaryguy73

I think this is just another example of roster mismanagement by BT. If it was a foregone conclusion that Gio was going to be exposed why didn't he trade him at the deadline rather than hoping for a miraculous run to make the playoffs? Everyone gets on Feaster for Iggy, but this is worse!

Would we have the same worry if we had kept Brodie instead of resigning Tanev?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Please remember that Theo Fleury was on the fourth line on that team. He scored 34 points in 36 games. Jiri Hrdina scored 54 points in 70 games, yet was also a regular on the fourth line, and I think he was a healthy scratch from time to time. Mark Hunter had three straight seasons of 30+ goals and 60+ points in St. Louis, but in Calgary he was a third-liner.

‘Middle six’ in a capped league roughly equates to ‘in and out of the lineup’ when you're talking about one of the deepest rosters of all time. It's no knock against Peplinski (or McDonald) that they were sometimes scratched on a team like that.

Stating facts is most definitely not a knock on someone. Don’t confuse the two.

Middle six includes 2nd and 3rd line. Again talking about ice time, Lanny, Peplinski were not in that category at the end of their careers. That is all.

Back on topic, Gio news not surprising. The gap between him and next possible choice on Flames is enormous.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SebC

Frankly, screw the expansion draft. There should be a free and automatic exemption for players who have played 15 seasons with one team.

I don't think so. I do think the expansion rules are too giving for the expansion team though and not fair to existing teams. Bring the old rules back, struggle to build your franchise just like everybody else had to.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

This is sad. I hoped Gio would accomplish the rare feat of wearing the Flaming C his entire career.



But Seattle taking Gio from us? #### those #######s and their crappy team. I hope they fold after 3 seasons. Also, the Sounders and Seahawks both suck too.

It's almost a given that the Kraken team will be better than the Flames right off the bat. Probably significantly better and for much longer.

Hard to blame the Kraken though. That is 100% on the Flames' franchise for continuing to waltz in mediocrity year after year and be seemingly content with it as long as season ticket holder continue to line up and the arena is full. At one point the Brodano pairing was one of the best pairings in the league for more than a couple years. If Gio leaves, Flames will have lost both with nothing to show for it. Now THAT is 100% on the Flames' ineptitude to get anything good for them, as is tradition with this franchise.

I love Gio too, but his run here has come to an end. Like Iggy, I want to see him get a couple runs at a cup before he calls it a career. While I'll be sad to see him gone if that happens, I'll be happy to see him play for a good team during their rookie season, probably go on to have a great season, and if not he'll go to a contender at the deadline where he can be the veteran player that locker room rallies around. Iggy might not have gotten that perfect ending, but I sure AF hope Gio does.

Flames get the culture shift they desperately need. Gio get's a couple good cup runs. Fans here to cheer him on. Win-win-win.

[tvp2003]

All good things must come to an end. I enjoyed watching some elite play from Giordano over the years but also happy to see the younger guys like Andersson, Valimaki and Kylington have the opportunity to take on a bigger role. We’re not in a position to be competing for a Stanley Cup without some changes anyways.

As for Gio, I like the thought of him landing on a contender at some point. Had hoped it would have been us; you know we wouldn’t have flipped him at the deadline this year just out of loyalty.

[Monahammer]

This is ultimately what is best for the franchise, but I agree it is bittersweet. Good luck Gio, it was an excellent tenure on the team. There were other times when I thought that the team and you were splitting ways and it always worked out, so perhaps something will happen between now and Wednesday.

You were a good captain for the club and the community. Best wishes.