[News] Giordano left unprotected in expansion draft

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Dube may be middle 6, which is also within the top six. But he’s also worn a C wherever he’s played except the AHL.

Also middle 6: Peplinski, when Calgary won.

When Calgary won, Pepper was in his underwear. No longer middle 6.

I agree that the C doesn’t need to be your best player (Brad Marsh anyone) but Dube is not NHL captain material at the moment. He has to work his way into the lineup as a regular to be an effective leader. We don’t need any leading from the press box.

[heep223]

Sadly I think Seattle doesn’t think twice about selecting Gio.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Weirdness

The Valimaki injury really... "helped?" It's rose-coloured glasses for sure but I think if he was available Seattle would take him without a second thought. Fells bad to say a guy suffering from a horrible year-long injury "helps" our team though heh

If Valimaki needed protection, we'd have made a trade like COL-NJD did. Or expose both Tanev and Gio.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

When Calgary won, Pepper was in his underwear. No longer middle 6.

The Flames' usual third line that year was Peplinski–Otto–Mark Hunter. Peplinski played in 20 playoff games, and was only out of the lineup the night they won the Cup because that was one of the times they swapped McDonald in.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Flames' usual third line that year was Peplinski–Otto–Mark Hunter. Peplinski played in 20 playoff games, and was only out of the lineup the night they won the Cup because that was one of the times they swapped McDonald in.

The fact he was swapped out should tell you lots.


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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The fact he was swapped out should tell you lots.


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Enlighten us.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The fact he was swapped out should tell you lots.

It tells me that the fans wanted to see Lanny one last time, and the team obliged. Nothing else can be drawn from a roster decision involving a single game. You just happen to attach unwarranted importance to that one game because of the famous picture with Peplinski in his long johns.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Perhaps an unpopular opinion but this is how I feel about Mangiapane as well. Classic Mason Raymond type player where he can pitch hit on the second line if needed, and might even put up some okay numbers here and there while doing so, but if he’s a regular in your top 6 you’ve got a weak team.

Mangiapane is as good as Mason Raymond at his best currently, and trending to be a decent amount better.

I think it's a poor take to say he's a weak option as a regular top 6.

At this point he's a solid top 6 player on just about any team, and a competitive playoff team would have him see time on their second line, unless it is over the cap stacked like Tampa.

Mangiapane was the catalyst for a team Canada full of decent NHL talent that spurred it on to gold. THE catalyst.

So yes, boo on this.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The fact he was swapped out should tell you lots.


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Hunter, Pepper and Lanny were on a kind of rotation for those playoffs with Hunter and Peplinski getting way more games than Lanny after Mark Hunter got injured for a couple series.

Crisp said in an interview years later he played Lanny in that final game on a hunch. Otherwise Pepper was a regular.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It tells me that the fans wanted to see Lanny one last time, and the team obliged. Nothing else can be drawn from a roster decision involving a single game. You just happen to attach unwarranted importance to that one game because of the famous picture with Peplinski in his long johns.

Game 6 of the finals is a strange time for fan service. Inserting Lanny was no doubt an emotional decision but not for the fans. At the end of Pepper’s career pretty hard to call him a middle 6 player for the Flames. Litttle time on special teams, and he called it a career the next season.

I see little correlation between Dube of today and Peplinski when he was named one of the captains.

[djsFlames]

I think moving on from Gio and one of the four core forwards will be an unfortunate yet necessary change in the team's core make up moving forward.

Gio is a hell of d-man, but also hasn't led by example when it mattered most.

It will suck, but in retrospect I think we'll say it was needed.

You just pray that Treliving uses that cap space wisely and doesn't pay a Hyman-level player star money and term.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

When Calgary won, Pepper was in his underwear. No longer middle 6.

I agree that the C doesn’t need to be your best player (Brad Marsh anyone) but Dube is not NHL captain material at the moment. He has to work his way into the lineup as a regular to be an effective leader. We don’t need any leading from the press box.

When Calgary won Lanny was on the ice for the first time one the finals and was middle six.

Who said Dube was captain material “at the moment”? We were talking about years from now.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

When Calgary won Lanny was on the ice for the first time one the finals and was middle six.

Who said Dube was captain material “at the moment”? We were talking about years from now.

Guess I don’t consider “middle 6” consisting of players rotating in and out of the lineup. I’ll take your word that Lanny was middle 6 in ice time that game, not really how I remember it.

Maybe Dube is a captain years from now just thought the reference to Peplinski in 1989 didn’t really work.

IMO pro sports has changed since guys like Brad Marsh were team captains. There is an expectation of stars that they be faces of the franchise and you’d like the guys making the big money on your team to want that responsibility.

[blender]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The fact he was swapped out should tell you lots.


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Yeah, that Flames team was deep as hell, like Tampa Bay or Colorado deep.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Guess I don’t consider “middle 6” consisting of players rotating in and out of the lineup. I’ll take your word that Lanny was middle 6 in ice time that game, not really how I remember it.

Please remember that Theo Fleury was on the fourth line on that team. He scored 34 points in 36 games. Jiri Hrdina scored 54 points in 70 games, yet was also a regular on the fourth line, and I think he was a healthy scratch from time to time. Mark Hunter had three straight seasons of 30+ goals and 60+ points in St. Louis, but in Calgary he was a third-liner.

‘Middle six’ in a capped league roughly equates to ‘in and out of the lineup’ when you're talking about one of the deepest rosters of all time. It's no knock against Peplinski (or McDonald) that they were sometimes scratched on a team like that.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Enlighten us.

You are in the Stanley Cup playoffs and the team decides to sit you on the bench to bring in an aging veteran in your place. Since Pepper was a centra and Lanny was a winger, it tells me you were the last man on the roster, the most expendable player.

Who cares what the fans wanted, the cup is on the line.


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[colbym72]

Ryan Pike @RyanNPike
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From our pal @frank_seravalli on the DFO Rundown, regarding Mark Giordano and the Seattle Kraken:

"I think it's almost definitely Mark Giordano. In fact, I believe that Seattle has given Calgary an indication that they will indeed take Mark Giordano."

[ComixZone]

Odd way to lose our Captain and still our best overall defenceman. I hope he gets flipped to a contender and wins a Cup.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You are in the Stanley Cup playoffs and the team decides to sit you on the bench to bring in an aging veteran in your place. Since Pepper was a centra and Lanny was a winger, it tells me you were the last man on the roster, the most expendable player.

Peplinski played LW most of the time. His usual centre at that time was Joel Otto.

In the absence of injuries, the Flames' 88-89 forward lineup usually looked like this:

1. Colin Patterson – Doug Gilmour – Joe Mullen
2. Gary Roberts – Joe Nieuwendyk – Håkan Loob
3. Jim Peplinski – Joel Otto – Mark Hunter
4. Some combination of Jiri Hrdina, Lanny McDonald, Tim Hunter, Perry Berezan (traded mid-season), Theo Fleury (promoted mid-season), Brian MacLellan (acquired at deadline)

After Mark Hunter was injured in the playoffs, the third and fourth lines became a complete grab bag. Anybody could be anywhere from one night to another, except that Joel Otto was a fixture at 3C. There were basically 5 jobs for 7 men, and all of them were scratched at times.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by colbym72

Ryan Pike @RyanNPike
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From our pal @frank_seravalli on the DFO Rundown, regarding Mark Giordano and the Seattle Kraken:

"I think it's almost definitely Mark Giordano. In fact, I believe that Seattle has given Calgary an indication that they will indeed take Mark Giordano."