[News] Hamonic opts out of Return to Play

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by getbak

Win it for Hammer! They can still let him have his day with the Cup and his kids.

Nothing has more germs than the Stanley Cup. He will opt-out of the cup parade too - too dangerous.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Nothing has more germs than the Stanley Cup. He will opt-out of the cup parade too - too dangerous.

Pretty sure there will be no parades.

[calgarywinning]

I heard there were other players who had made the decision not to play but haven't seen a list. This was FAN 960 around 4:30. I hear the players have until 5:00 pm tomorrow.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

I heard there were other players who had made the decision not to play but haven't seen a list. This was FAN 960 around 4:30. I hear the players have until 5:00 pm tomorrow.

From the Flames specifically or in general?

[topfiverecords]

James Neal will be on the ice but opt to not play.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah.....no.

At least 2 in Illinois have died from Covid.
That said, a couple kids a weekend are killed from errant gunfire on Chicago south side.

[GGG]

Why are people taking shots at chubyers post?

It is clearly an emotional based decision.

If it was a rational decision he would state I gain nothing from playing but have a very small chance of losing everything so there is no benefit to play. Instead he weighs his passion for the game against the fear of losing his life or infecting his family.

So clearly he believes the risk is too high even though the risk of him contracting Covid and transmitting it to his family is greater outside the bubble then inside where he is tested everyday.

It’s also clearly a selfish decision as he benefits from the general group of NHLers finishing the season ensuring revenue while taking zero risk.

The thing is there is nothing wrong with his decision. In fact the players in general are likely foolish for going back especially at the margins. Max Domi is an idiot for considering playing.

It shouldn’t be controversial to discuss the motivations. The players should be selfish and be looking out for themselves when making this decision. It’s shouldn’t be considered an insult.

[bluejays]

Yeah, I don't agree with chubeyr1 post but I'm not going to knock him for it. Chubeyrs stated what he thinks, right or wrong, and wasn't being malicious, so what's the problem with stating his point of view? Is this what forums and social media have become - pandering to Likes/Thanks? C'mon guys - disagree if you have to, but being condescending is a bit ridiculous for bringing along a discussion or getting opposite trains of thoughts.

[Jiri Hrdina]

For starters because he is ignoring Haminic’s stated reasons and saying he’s not playing for other reasons. Basically calling him a liar

[lazypucker]

I am surprised that almost no players opt out for selfish reasons. For example, McDavid is guaranteed to be paid close to max salary for the his current contract. He could just say F this and stay home as there is no penalty. Who knows if he is to get COVID during this playoffs and totally screws up his respiratory system and he can't perform the way he used to be, ruining his earning ability in the future?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For starters because he is ignoring Haminic’s stated reasons and saying he’s not playing for other reasons. Basically calling him a liar

No he isn’t ignoring the stated reason.

Harmonic is afraid of infecting his family because he saw first hand how devastating a respiratory disease on an infant was. He is placing what he believes will make his Family the safest over the NHL, the team, and the fans. (And he is correct in doing so)

I think that is clearly laid out in his reasoning and matches what cheuber was saying.

Do you disagree that the decision is being made out of selfish interest for his own family and fear?

I think it’s reasonable to disagree with the tone that being Scared is somehow unreasonable that is contained within the post.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GGG

No he isn’t ignoring the stated reason.

Harmonic is afraid of infecting his family because he saw first hand how devastating a respiratory disease on an infant was. He is placing what he believes will make his Family the safest over the NHL, the team, and the fans. (And he is correct in doing so)

I think that is clearly laid out in his reasoning and matches what cheuber was saying.

Do you disagree that the decision is being made out of selfish interest for his own family and fear?

I think it’s reasonable to disagree with the tone that being Scared is somehow unreasonable that is contained within the post.

That’s not what he says:

“Travis Hamonic made this choice for selfish reasons. To protect himself not his family.”

[blender]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

That is more about the mental make up of harmonic. Scared.

This is BS internet tough guy talk that devalues the level.of discussion here and shouldn't be let go without being called out for what it is.

It's fine to disagree with a players decision, but it is lame to act like you know what they are feeling, let alone calling someone who plays in the NHL a coward.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For starters because he is ignoring Haminic’s stated reasons and saying he’s not playing for other reasons. Basically calling him a liar

He wasn't basically calling him one, he outright called him one.

[CASe333]

Originally Posted by GGG

Why are people taking shots at chubyers post?

It is clearly an emotional based decision.

If it was a rational decision he would state I gain nothing from playing but have a very small chance of losing everything so there is no benefit to play. Instead he weighs his passion for the game against the fear of losing his life or infecting his family.

So clearly he believes the risk is too high even though the risk of him contracting Covid and transmitting it to his family is greater outside the bubble then inside where he is tested everyday.

It’s also clearly a selfish decision as he benefits from the general group of NHLers finishing the season ensuring revenue while taking zero risk.

The thing is there is nothing wrong with his decision. In fact the players in general are likely foolish for going back especially at the margins. Max Domi is an idiot for considering playing.

It shouldn’t be controversial to discuss the motivations. The players should be selfish and be looking out for themselves when making this decision. It’s shouldn’t be considered an insult.

I don't think you are doing a good enough job of seeing this from Hamonic's point of view. It may have had nothing to do with whether "he believes the risk is too high...". I think you completely miss the point that in his statement he states "Due to what my daughter has already has gone through" he will not be leaving his most important job being her dad. He would have to leave her for months to stay in the bubble.

I cannot fathom someone arguing it is selfish to stay home with their family during a pandemic vs going and playing a game. He is giving up everything he has worked for in his career right now to stay home and take care of a daughter who he thought he might lose. Honestly I am a bit flabbergasted you think that is selfish. Who is he lacking consideration for? Are you telling me he is supposed to put his teammates or the fans needs before his families?

[calf]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That’s not what he says:



“Travis Hamonic made this choice for selfish reasons. To protect himself not his family.”

I know I make a ton of choices in my daily life for selfish reasons. Wearing a seatbelt, not driving dangerously, eating healthy and getting exercise, wearing a mask, washing hands, etc Just things to keep me healthy, and only me.

Has nothing to do with ensuring my wife has her partner around as long as possible, my kids their father.

Nope, it's all about me me me.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by fleury

Yeah, I don't agree with chubeyr1 post but I'm not going to knock him for it. Chubeyrs stated what he thinks, right or wrong, and wasn't being malicious, so what's the problem with stating his point of view? Is this what forums and social media have become - pandering to Likes/Thanks? C'mon guys - disagree if you have to, but being condescending is a bit ridiculous for bringing along a discussion or getting opposite trains of thoughts.

Why does chubeyr get to call Hamonic scared and selfish, call his reasoning bull####, and say he doesn’t respect it, but nobody is allowed to even be condescending? That seems pretty gentle.

Seems like you got lost in your hurry to complain about Internet forums and forgot where the bar had been set. If chubeyr can have a personal opinion about Hamonic, surely anyone should be allowed to have a personal opinion of chubeyr, or any poster for that matter.

Generally, that’s how conversations work. When your friend is a being a dick, sometimes you just tell him he’s being a dick.

[kurwamac]

Guys Hamonic doesn't owe us an explanation. He's exercising his rights and he was nice enough to share the concerns he has. But putting out that statement, which is quite long, was a classy thing to do, considering his important role to this team. If Alzner or Baerstchi just say their out or put out a short tweet - appropriate, they have limited roles.


Just looking at how long his statement was shows that he's really concerned about his family and that he doesn't mean to be a jerk.

[JD]

We're gonna miss Hamonic on the PK. I know people are excited about seeing Rasmus move up the lineup but he's not as accomplished a penalty killer as Hamonic. The Jets have a dangerous PP too. Hopefully the boys can step up in his place.

Treliving might have been lucky or might have been smart to pick up extra dmen at the deadline. Either way it was a great move. Ward has a lot of versatile players to work into different situation to cover the gaps.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Robo

I'm confused you don't respect his decision yet you would make the same choice ?

Absolutely!

So many people here are trying to hang me out to dry as an uncaring person.

Knowing what I know about Hamonic I absolutely make that choice, and it is selfish. I dont have a problem with that at all.

His wife and his kid are not in harms way. He does not have a medical condition that puts him at risk.

He is at no greater risk than any member of the Calgary Flames.

Again based off all the stuff that has gone on in his life I understand the choice.

It is not a logical choice though.

He has the right to refuse to play as mandated by the CBA.

His kid is not at risk, his wife is not at risk.

It is a selfish play. I get it and understand it.

He is not protecting his wife or child by sitting out. I definitely would understand if they were in harms way but they are not.

He is a great guy. I know his story well. My family knows his family from St.Malo.

Based off what the guy has gone thru I would not play either.

I dont respect the choice, but understand it.