2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

You gotta trade johnny before his NTC kicks in next summer. That's why you have to do it now IMO

It would kick in July 1st, so you'd deal him between the end of the season and the draft.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Johnny is younger, more productive and much less injury prone than Hall. Id rather pay Johnny 10M than Hall 9M.

Would you rather pay Gaudreau +$10 m even if Hall's $9.0 m price-tag also comes with significant additions through a Gaudreau trade?

Really? Because looking up the numbers and advanced stats I don't see Monahan producing more when away from Johnny. In fact Im seeing the total opposite. Maybe Im wrong and you can show me these stats, because with a quick look Monahans numbers look bad without Gaudreau on the ice with him. Also finding multiple articles stating those facts.

I don't know about the advanced stats, but there are small sample sizes from when either player was injured which show how the other has fared. Gaudreau was injured and missed games in 2016, and Monahan continued to produce, whereas when Monahan was shelved for the remainder of the season in 2018 Gaudreau's scoring absolutely cratered. And again, as I noted above, Monahan has been much more consistently productive during the playoffs when Gaudreau has struggled.

You're suggesting Monahan is suddenly going to become a driver of offense without Johnny? I just don't see it. Monahans biggest strength by far is his ability to get a heavy accurate shot off quickly and is afforded that often because of the playmaking and vision of Gaudreau, not to mention the chemistry they have due to the amount of time they have spent together on the ice. I think you have to agree not many guys in the league have the playmaking ability of Johnny.

I agree, but I also tend to think that Monahan's puck distribution skills and on-ice vision are frequently overlooked or underplayed because of the fact that Gaudreau carries the puck as much as he does. When Monahan was drafted his greatest assets heading to the NHL were his hockey IQ and playmaking ability, NOT his shot and ability to score goals. These are skills he developed in large part because he has played with Gaudreau, but I continue to believe that if Monahan is forced to play a new type of game, and if he is foisted into a position of carrying the puck more frequently, then he will again thrive. One of my own persistent complaints for a long time now is that Gaudreau carries the puck too much, and that both he and Monohan would be even better players if Monahan would not defer so often to Gaudreau.

I know you're a huge Monahan fan but if I'm serious about moving Gaudreau then why not consider making the bigger trade and include both of them? I just have the feeling that Monahan will suffer greatly without Johnny on his wing. Monahan is pretty much useless when he isn't scoring goals.

Well, no. That is just not true. Monahan is the best centre on the team, and this is reason why I would be most hesitant to move him, unless it guaranteed a significant improvement down the middle. I just don't see that as likely.

[djsFlames]

I knocked those buffalo proposals but they sure beat the hell out of those Columbus ones by scorpion. Jesus.

I'm a little enamored by the idea of grabbing Anderson myself, but as the return for a Jankowski or Bennett trade, not ####ing Gaudreau.

Only way he goes this early is if its a for a kings ransom that is difficult to turn down. So start brainstorming trades that fit that description.

This isn't the end of his ufa year where the flames are desperate to take whatever they can. Right now they have tons of leverage and the ability to remain patient.

It has to be bordering on tantalizing where an overall win for the Flames down the road is conceivable. Meaning in this package we could have a guy that provides more for our ability to win than gaudreau in a few years.

Not a team's dump truck of MEH and their expendable assets.

Gaudreau is like a vital organ to the make up of this roster so whatever is coming back should have similar value to that team from a prospect/futures standpoint.

[TheScorpion]

For what it's worth, Anderson is by far the least valuable asset in that Columbus trade. You're knocking my proposal as if he's the centerpiece.

[djsFlames]

Let's look at the various pieces mentioned:

An oft injured winger coming off a 1 goal season
An oft injured top 4 defenseman soon to expire
A former 18th OA center with rather unspectacular 1st rounder stats that took three seasons to crack a PPG in the OHL
A decent middle six RW that could be replace what Frolik brought before he went stale
Columbus' version of Mangiapane, 5'10 kid playing the wing putting up 20 points in fifty some games.

None of those guys have a hope in hell to eclipse what Gaudreau brought to your team.

Really comes off Phaneuf 2.0, even with the significantly younger pieces. Some could help your third someimes second line for a while, some could be just serviceable, some will leave, some will spend the duration with you injured. Meanwhile we know what gaudreau will bring for that team, on the top line, and he rarely gets injured so its a sure thing for them, and proximity to home means they may enjoy it for many years.

Of all the trading partners and packages that could conceivably be had for a player like Gaudreau, these are the pieces you want to "land" for him?

Bringing up another B piece from their organization doesn't make it more enticing either.

Elite piece for future elite piece + adds, please and thank you.

[Vinny01]

My main target in a Gaudreau trade is a recent top 10 pick from the 18-20 draft. Get a elite prospect that is 0-1 year away from making the team and only a couple of seasons away from making an impact.

Buffalo, New Jersey, maybe Chicago?

Montour or Reinhart + 7
Zacha+10+17
Strome+9 (Only works if the Oilers win the play in round which I think is less than 50%)

Habs could also look at Domi+8+2nd for Gaudreau+16

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

You gotta trade johnny before his NTC kicks in next summer. That's why you have to do it now IMO

So if you get nothing but underwhelming offers you still trade him? I don't think so.

[TheScorpion]

Calling Oliver Bjorkstrand a middle-six winger in a year when he led the Blue Jackets offensively at the age of 24 is the definition of disingenuous.

Heck he had a better year than Dubois by basically every metric.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Let's look at the various pieces mentioned:

An oft injured winger coming off a 1 goal season Don't people love Anderson Anymore?
An oft injured top 4 defenseman soon to expire That was the appeal, unless you mean he's going to die
A former 18th OA center with rather unspectacular 1st rounder stats that took three seasons to crack a PPG in the OHL Continuous upward trajectory, and this kid is fast fast, like really fast
A decent middle six RW that could be replace what Frolik brought before he went stale Bjorkstrand has more offensive ability than Frolik at his peak, not much, but more
Columbus' version of Mangiapane, 5'10 kid playing the wing putting up 20 points in fifty some games. Berstrom is more like Backlund, but more physical. I don't think he will show his value for another year or two.

None of those guys have a hope in hell to eclipse what Gaudreau brought to your team. Not alone, but it does make Calgary a better team, which is what Scorp was getting to

Really comes off Phaneuf 2.0, even with the significantly younger pieces. Some could help your third someimes second line for a while, some could be just serviceable, some will leave, some will spend the duration with you injured. Meanwhile we know what gaudreau will bring for that team, on the top line, and he rarely gets injured so its a sure thing for them, and proximity to home means they may enjoy it for many years.

Of all the trading partners and packages that could conceivably be had for a player like Gaudreau, these are the pieces you want to "land" for him?

Bringing up another B piece from their organization doesn't make it more enticing either.

Elite piece for future elite piece + adds, please and thank you.

I would kill the Murray and Anderson part and ask for their first, but three of those pieces are a solid offer. Just needs an extra piece to be in the conversation with what people were asking Buffalo ect for.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Calling Oliver Bjorkstrand a middle-six winger in a year when he led the Blue Jackets offensively at the age of 24 is the definition of disingenuous.

Heck he had a better year than Dubois by basically every metric.

Stating Oliver Bjorstrand and a small plus is a fair return in a trade for our best winger since Iginla who has been near ppg over 6 seasons is the definition of disingenuous

[TheScorpion]

Well by gum I hope you all are right but if you're expecting guys like Couturier and Hischier to come back in a deal for Johnny I think you'll be disappointed. It's going to look a lot like the Hamilton trade did, IMO. Bjorkstrand and Lindholm are similar cats... that's all I was basing it off.

Bjorkstrand had 21 goals in 49 games this year... if he hadn't hurt his ankle he probably smashes past the 30-goal plateau. That's first-line winger material, not a third-line winger.

[Harry Lime]

Bjorkstrand + Foudy + Bermstrom = Cozens + Miller

I would actually prefer going for the Dallas model :

Connor McMicheal (Iggy) + Pat Riggin for Gaudreau (Neiwy)

[AC]

I like Bjorkstrand a lot, and would love to have Josh Anderson return to power forward form with us. Foudy also sounds great.

I just don't see why Columbus sells several key pieces after going all in last season, especially as I don't see Johnny re-signing with Columbus.

It'd be interesting to know how Johnny's trade value changes if he's traded this summer with 2 years left and the theoretical opportunity to "win him over" and convince him to re-sign with his new team versus trading him during his last year with the ability to allow a contract extension negotiation as part of a trade.

[SportsJunky]

I'll say this about Bjorkstrand, he is getting better. This year, when not injured, he was very noticeable for Columbus. I have a lot of Blue Jackets in keeper leagues so I pay attention to that team more than some. Bjorkstrand is no joke The kid is a play driver. I'd love to see him on Calgary.

[TheScorpion]

^ now that's a good point AC. From a long-term perspective getting Johnny might not make a ton of sense, although Columbus' cap structure with Savard and Foligno expiring soon would allow them to offer him a ton of money.

[Southside]

https://cardiaccane.com/2020/06/21/c...hnny-gaudreau/

Johnny for Nino Niederreiter, Joey Keane and picks or prospects?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Southside

https://cardiaccane.com/2020/06/21/c...hnny-gaudreau/

Johnny for Nino Niederreiter, Joey Keane and picks or prospects?

Nino Niederreiter, Ryan Suzuki and Dom Bokk would get the ball rolling. Maybe throw in their two seconds. That would be a return in line with everything else that is rolling around. I would assume Necas is off the table.

It just goes to show the level of interest in the league, and that with teams vying against each other, a good return is almost inevitable.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Southside

https://cardiaccane.com/2020/06/21/c...hnny-gaudreau/

Johnny for Nino Niederreiter, Joey Keane and picks or prospects?

just shoot me

[The Original FFIV]

When looking at a potential Johnny trade, have to look at teams that would have motivation to make a deal. Might be for hockey reasons (team performance) or other reasons (acquiring a player they can market and sell tickets - he’s an all American boy)

As has been discussed at length, Buffalo stands out as they need to make a splash. They have a meddling owner and a rookie GM. That is a good opportunity to rip them off.

We have scouted buffalo heavily this past season so we have a good idea on what they have available. It could be that botterill wasn’t willing to part with certain players in deals and may have played a part in his dismissal. The pegulas do not appear to have much patience and may give Adams an ultimatum to bring in players to improve the team immediately. Given the entire front office and scouting department was let go, Adams has no one to lobby to keep players that they have drafted and as such would probably do whatever his bosses want. I think there is a very good opportunity here for treliving to fleece Adams given these circumstances.

As for other teams, NJD stands out however until they hire a permanent GM it’s tough to say which direction they go. They are also a team that appears to have budget constraints. However the temptation to add Johnny and market the team around him might be too much to pass up. Only question is will the new gm stick with the rebuild or will he be able to offer up assets We would want and get owner’s blessing financially to make a deal?

Flyers make sense as well however they need to send money back and given they are on the upswing, would say they have less motivation to add Johnny. Given johnnys comments about wanting to play for Philly one day, they may not have interest in parting with assets knowing he may come as a ufa.

Florida is a sleeper. Can see Johnny being marketable in south Florida. Tallon has a history of making questionable deals (see trocheck). They have some young pieces that are probably available (borgstrom) that could be included in a package for Johnny.

And of course teams will miss out on playoffs which will ramp up pressure to make changes. Only thing that can be pretty much assured is that if he is moved, it will be to an eastern team, not western

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well by gum I hope you all are right but if you're expecting guys like Couturier and Hischier to come back in a deal for Johnny I think you'll be disappointed. It's going to look a lot like the Hamilton trade did, IMO. Bjorkstrand and Lindholm are similar cats... that's all I was basing it off.

Bjorkstrand had 21 goals in 49 games this year... if he hadn't hurt his ankle he probably smashes past the 30-goal plateau. That's first-line winger material, not a third-line winger.

Key difference for me is Lindholm was a 23 year old former 5th overall pick widely considered to be a potential top line player when he was drafted. He had many 40+ point seasons being used all over the lineup.

Bjorkstrand is a 25 year former 3rd round pick who had a solid season playing at a 60pt pace playing on the top line all year.

I don’t think the Flames would be getting Couturier or Hischer and I disagree with your opinion this will look like the Hamilton deal. It will look more like the Hamonic deal imo with the Flames being the team getting pure futures so they can create cap space to add Hall in free agency and replenish the asset cupboard.