Aliu blackface incident with the Colorado Eagles

[Flame On]

The straw-man argument of invoking Trudeau is categorically tone policing. Its a way for folk to suggest "but what about this situation over here" and thus not speak about the matter at hand.
No one, but no one, doesn't think that what Trudeau did with brown face was racist, including himself. But by not being able to let go of the fact he was re-elected and hasn't lost his job, what, now no one can talk about any issues because he's still there? That's absurd.
Such fake outrage with him as per usual.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Flamette

Have the Avalanche released any statements yet?

They sent out a statement that Tony Deynzer was put on administrative leave.

Doubt they will say much more as the incident happened before the Eagles were their affiliate. Maybe a statement when Deynzer is fired or if anyone else still with the team was involved gets put on leave or is fired.

I think the Jets put out a statement saying that while the Eagles were their ECHL affiliate at the time, none of the staff were actually their employees.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

...The equipment guy, about whom all we know is basically captured in this picture and anecdote, is a “reprehensible human being”.

Both people made a flabbergastingly poor decision.

I suspect that neither person at the time of making their costume decision, would have been considered fully considering the history of blackface and its full set of implications.

Being a son of a politician, and wanting a future in politics, I would expect Trudeau to have some cultural awareness and sensitivity. I have no idea what on earth he was thinking

Not knowing the equipment guy, well.. I have no idea what on earth he was thinking either...

It's not a stretch to posit that his intentions were far from innocent or naive. Tony Deynzer dressed in blackface and deliberately targeted and mimicked the only black player on the team with his antics. I'm finding it impossible to find any way to excuse this.

I suppose the best outcome is if the guy declares that he was straight up wrong, has educated himself, apologizes publically, and hopes that this can be used as a teaching moment.

Because if he has been a full time equipment manager, I don’t think he can immediately snap his fingers and drum up a political career.

The best outcome for whom? This sounds like a great deal for the equipment guy; not so much for Aliu, nor potentially for other players who have been the object of similar shameful incidents.

[Red_Baron]

That picture is absolutely appalling.



I'm glad to see some of this bullcrap behaviour brought to light as the people who pulled this stuff got away with it for too long and even did it with the support of others.

Players were afraid to speak up as that would only bring on more problems.



I played tier II rep growing up so we didn't have as many of the toxic alpha types that the AAA teams had. Some of my friends were excellent hockey players but had trouble dealing with some of the hyper-alpha d-bags who got off on the hazing and harassment. The game will be much better moving forward due to guys like Akim speaking up about what he has faced in the past.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Flame On

The straw-man argument of invoking Trudeau is categorically tone policing. Its a way for folk to suggest "but what about this situation over here" and thus not speak about the matter at hand.
No one, but no one, doesn't think that what Trudeau did with brown face was racist, including himself. But by not being able to let go of the fact he was re-elected and hasn't lost his job, what, now no one can talk about any issues because he's still there? That's absurd.
Such fake outrage with him as per usual.

Fake outrage? Or maybe people simply want a consistent standard.

[oldschoolcalgary]

its just ####ing sad to read that BS still goes on in this day and age...

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by zamler

Fake outrage? Or maybe people simply want a consistent standard.

What consistent standard? None of the scenarios are remotely similar, other than being racially charged. Many posters across several threads have, with varying success, attempted to articulate the difference between what the Prime Minister did, and what the former coach of this team, and now this former ECHL team did.

Or are you arguing what the PM did and what is described in the OP warrant the same response?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Being white is not a proxy for being racist. And thinking it is, is in and of itself extremely racist.

This a representative democracy. 116/121 Conservatives represent the same demographic. If they had 116/121 Chinese Representatives, or Sikh ones, or Jewish ones, it would be fair to ask why that message resonates so strongly with one segment of the population but not the others.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by zamler

Fake outrage? Or maybe people simply want a consistent standard.

A consistent standard across all of life? What dream world are people living in where that’s a reality in any facet of their life?

Different jobs, different people, different histories, different situations. Basically one single thing remotely in common, but that’s enough to warrant a “consistent standard”?

That’s not how real life works. You know that, I know that. If you go work at McDonalds you’re held to a different standard than a movie star. If you’re the mayor you’re held to a different standard than either of those positions. If a black artist uses the n-word in a song they’re held to a different standard than some boomer calling that same artist the n-word.

Life is full of seemingly inconsistent standards. That’s because we have the cognitive ability to consider many, many layers of context. How are some people spending decades on this earth and still not being able to figure out context?

It’s absolutely fake outrage. Or it’s the same type of people who say things like “I don’t think anyone should say the n-word, not even black people (because I can’t say it). It’s only fair!”

Fake or ignorant. Take your pick.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It's not a stretch to posit that his intentions were far from innocent or naive. Tony Deynzer dressed in blackface and deliberately targeted and mimicked the only black player on the team with his antics. I'm finding it impossible to find any way to excuse this.


The best outcome for whom? This sounds like a great deal for the equipment guy; not so much for Aliu, nor potentially for other players who have been the object of similar shameful incidents.

How is it not a good outcome for Aliu if the guy learns and people learn?

I prefer teaching moments to a pound of flesh

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

How is it not a good outcome for Aliu if the guy learns and people learn?

I prefer teaching moments to a pound of flesh

The trainer did this five months after President Obama announced to the world that Osama bin Laden was dead. I'm pretty sure Tony over there knew what he was doing wasn't cool; he didn't care, and he didn't think anyone else would either.

For almost ten years, he was right.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The trainer did this five months after President Obama announced to the world that Osama bin Laden was dead. I'm pretty sure Tony over there knew what he was doing wasn't cool; he didn't care, and he didn't think anyone else would either.

For almost ten years, he was right.

I don’t like what the guy did.

Do you think he knows now that it is not cool?

What should he do?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by ST20

I just don't think bringing up Trudeau adds anything to these conversations because it detracts from issues being discussed.

Then just trash him like Joe blow hockey equipment manager and we can move the discussion forward.

If you can't defend blackface, why jump through all the hoops to move conversation away from the PM who did it multiple times?

It's best to call out everyone who has done this in the past, isn't it?

[Wiggum_PI]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A consistent standard across all of life? What dream world are people living in where that’s a reality in any facet of their life?

Different jobs, different people, different histories, different situations. Basically one single thing remotely in common, but that’s enough to warrant a “consistent standard”?

That’s not how real life works. You know that, I know that. If you go work at McDonalds you’re held to a different standard than a movie star. If you’re the mayor you’re held to a different standard than either of those positions. If a black artist uses the n-word in a song they’re held to a different standard than some boomer calling that same artist the n-word.

Life is full of seemingly inconsistent standards. That’s because we have the cognitive ability to consider many, many layers of context. How are some people spending decades on this earth and still not being able to figure out context?

It’s absolutely fake outrage. Or it’s the same type of people who say things like “I don’t think anyone should say the n-word, not even black people (because I can’t say it). It’s only fair!”

Fake or ignorant. Take your pick.

This Omar Washington guy has an interesting take on the Trudeau debacle.

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/12/0...l-Test-Failed/

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Wiggum_PI

This Omar Washington guy has an interesting take on the Trudeau debacle.

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/12/0...l-Test-Failed/

This is a very good article. Everyone reading this thread should read it. I don't feel compelled to disagree with much, if anything, written in it.

[zamler]

Indeed, most excellent article.

The real tragedy isn’t what Trudeau did. It’s what the Canadian people and political class did by returning this posturing man to Parliament as our prime minister. We sent a message to the world that we lack principle and true fidelity to the progressive causes of pluralism and social justice we espouse.

Yes.

What especially bothers me is some have no problem going full tar and feather on certain people but will give our PM a pass, because reasons. There are no reasons Trudeau should be excused, in fact I am having a hard time thinking of anyone else in the public eye that could have gotten away with blackface, multiple times.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

This is a very good article. Everyone reading this thread should read it. I don't feel compelled to disagree with much, if anything, written in it.

Great article. Omar hits it out of the park here.

Trudeau could still do the right thing and resign. Canadian voters and our political class could still do the right thing and hold our elected officials to a higher standard.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by zamler

Indeed, most excellent article.

Yes.

What especially bothers me is some have no problem going full tar and feather on certain people but will give our PM a pass, because reasons. There are no reasons Trudeau should be excused, in fact I am having a hard time thinking of anyone else in the public eye that could have gotten away with blackface, multiple times.

Who in this thread has given Justin Trudeau a pass?

The election happened. The country gave him a pass because they didn't want to vote for Andrew Scheer. That's all. It doesn't endorse the behavior of the Prime Minister.

It also says a lot about the conservative platform - they couldn't convince the country they were less racist than this Peter Sellers mother####er.

[JohnnyB]

Read to end of first page: “Wow! Great posting! 200+ thanks?!? Nice”

Read last page: “Well, never coming in here again...”

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I dealt with a lot of racism in hockey. At one point I gave up and stopped playing cause it was mental torture. One of my family members knew the GM of the Flames at the time and asked if Iggy would sit down for a few minutes with me to chat about being a colored hockey player. The amazing person Iggy is he agreed to the request. I didn't know about all of this until the day I met him. We talked over a glass a milk, he told me some of the things he went through, and some of them were worse than my stories. But he used those negatives to drive him and not give up. I ended up doing the same. I definitely didn't come close to a career that he had, but I didn't give up on the game I love due to ignorance of others. I'm glad hockey is having it's reckoning.

Thank you for sharing this and also thank you for not delving into Iggy's experiences, that is his story to tell and I do hope one day he does because for a player of his calibre and stature to do so we won't have people questioning his motives as we saw with Akim.