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Old 02-25-2019, 01:47 PM   #221
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Thanks, I hadn't yet cringed today.
One of the funniest things I read in an ATL last season was the Philly fan saying "Calgary, the Martin Erat of teams." I didn't even believe in that assessment at the time, nor do I now; it just made me laugh.

That being said. Cringe.

Ok with standing pat if the asking price was clearly too high. Get it done at the draft.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:48 PM   #222
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They are preparing for the loss of Giordano in a couple years. They see Valimaki as a likely replacement. It has nothing to do with Brodie.
Agree to disagree, they have more young D than just Valimaki.

Brodie is the odd man out because of his age and having decent trade value.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:48 PM   #223
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If true about that Frolik+1st for Zucker rumour, I wonder if Frolik simply said no to Minnesota.
This is my gut feeling too.

The fact that Boomer and Ryan Leslie both reported it as being pretty much done, to only just reverse it minutes later makes me think something outside of the ask is what caused it to break down.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:48 PM   #224
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So what would you consider an upgrade on the second line Simmonds zucker or nyquist?

All 3 of these players don't have that much better stats than Bennett and Bennett has proven he can play a dirty physical game and drop the mitts with anyone
Wasn't a fan of Simmonds. I certainly would have been on board with acquiring 1 of Zuccarelo, Nyquist or Hoffman.
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Those teams all have better line-ups then Calgary now. (Vegas I'd argue on even footing now) (SJ arguably already did before the Nyquist add).

I'd take any of those team over the Flames in a 7 game series now.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:49 PM   #226
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Alright.. disappointed but time for the boys to keep it going and prove everyone wrong. Starts with an ass kicking from the top line tomorrow.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:50 PM   #227
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Where are you getting this info? I haven't seen anything regarding Nyquist not wanting to come Calgary.

Point remains. The Flames needed to upgrade the 2nd line RW position to have a legit chance at a long run in the playoffs, IMO . If it was because they didn't want to lose a late 1st round pick for a guy who was a UFA at the end of the season, that's a fail.

The city and fan base has been stuck supporting a franchise whos won 4 playoff series in the last 30 years. Its not like we've been spoiled with success. I think if anything this tells me management doesn't think they are true cup contender this year and probably thinks the young guys need another year of playoff experience before they are willing to trade any significant assets to go on a cup run.
How can it be a fail to trade assets now if they need another year of playoff experience to actually go on a run?

That makes zero sense.
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Last time the Flames had a team even remotely close to as good as this team, they were "winners" at the TDL acquiring Jokinen to play as C for Iginla... that worked out great for them, right?
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:51 PM   #229
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Well, I said I hope Tree does nothing and waste assets and so I am VERY happy with today.

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See lots of people sad the Flames aren't adding...in recent history the smart play has been to not go crazy at the deadline:

2018 - Washington Capitals:
Jerabek for a 5th
Kempny for a 3rd

2017 - Pittsburgh Penguins:
Hainsey for a 2nd
Corrado for a 4th, Fehr
Streit for a 4th

2016 - Pittsburgh Penguins:
Schultz for a 3rd

2015 - Chicago Blackhawks
Timonen - for a 2nd, 4th (0 points in 18 games)
Vermette for a 1st, Dahlbeck (7 points in 20 games)

2014 - LA Kings:
Gaborik for a 2nd, 3rd, Frattin

2013 - Chicago Blackhawks:
Handzus for a 4th

The teams that have won were teams that had sustained success - Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh, and Washington were all contenders for 5+ seasons in their cup window. Drafting well and re-filling the cupboards with cheap ELC players is what allowed them to do that.

Trading all future ELC depth (Valimaki, Dube, Kylington, 1ST) for one kick at the can this season would be the worst decision our team could make.

Just a reminder that making the biggest deal on trade deadline guarantees you nothing come playoff time.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:52 PM   #231
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Remember, all these teams are chasing us. Not the other way around.

We didnt have the gun to our heads to improve. They did.

The acquisition and retention costs for Mark Stone? No thank you. Hard pass.

Treliving has basically told the current group that they've got the ball. Now they have to run with it.
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That's a video game trade. Bennett's value is finally being realized, and I feel like his progression is back on track this year. He's our most physical forward, he makes the line he plays on better (he drives the 3rd line more than jankowski and whoever's on the wing).

No point in trading Bennett, he's going to be an important playoff player for a team that lacks much physicality in the forward ranks already.
That's why I said I like Bennett. But we also lack a top 6 RW and Granlund is a great player who fits that bill.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:53 PM   #233
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NOOOOOOoooooooo!!! We didn't over spend!!! The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!!


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Old 02-25-2019, 01:54 PM   #234
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God, the Fan960 is unbearable. Building up Fantanberg like he's the second coming... Jesus Christ...
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Mark Stone is not going to put them in first place in the Pacific. They are way too far behind the Flames and Sharks.

We do need to play our best hockey though, because the #2 and #3 Pacific Division series is arguably going to be the toughest 1st round match up.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:54 PM   #236
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The Fantenberg era begins. Look out.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:54 PM   #237
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Agree to disagree, they have more young D than just Valimaki.

Brodie is the odd man out because of his age and having decent trade value.
The main reason is Matt Tkachuk.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:54 PM   #238
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How can it be a fail to trade assets now if they need another year of playoff experience to actually go on a run?

That makes zero sense.
I'm saying management probably thinks they need another year of playoff experience to get into a Stanley Cup contender status.

If they thought this squad was ready right now and didn't pull the trigger because they wanted to keep a late 1st rounder, that's a fail IMO.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:55 PM   #239
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tAMpa BaY dIdN't mAkE A tRaDe! bOsTon GoT bEtTer!
1st rOuND eXiT!!!!!!!
LOL.

Although, Tampa is not the Flames. They are still going to crush everyone and win the cup. It's a dog fight on the other side to see who gets to be the sacrificial lamb.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:56 PM   #240
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I like what the Flames have done(ie, nothing). this is a long term plan and I hope they recoup a second for this years draft.
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