11 Dallas police officers shot by sniper at peaceful protest. 5 officers dead.

[Acey]

aaaand civil war.

News Update

Dallas police chief: Shooting suspect said he wanted to hurt white officers, said he was not part of any group

"Suspect in Dallas police shooting that killed 5 cops ‘wanted to kill white people’"

[oldschoolcalgary]

well, the scary thing is, that is will further act as a wedge with US race relations...

and with a populus armed to the teeth it does not end well....

officers will now be even more on edge while on duty and people involved with police, ie someone getting pulled over for a traffic violation for example, will be equally suspicious...

there will be nut jobs on either side of this debate, as well as racists, both black and white, who will amp up the rhetoric to take advantage of this for their own purposes...

really sad situation going on down there.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Acey

aaaand civil war.

News Update

Dallas police chief: Shooting suspect said he wanted to hurt white officers, said he was not part of any group

"Suspect in Dallas police shooting that killed 5 cops ‘wanted to kill white people’"

Doesn't that seem kinda odd, though? How many white people does one tend to find at BLM protests? And he was targeting Police, not the few white people one may have found. If he was after just "white people"...one would think he'd have found a better place, situation and time to get at more "white people".

Though I suppose if he was trying to help incite along a race war, he's taken it a decent step forward.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Doesn't that seem kinda odd, though? How many white people does one tend to find at BLM protests? And he was targeting Police, not the few white people one may have found. If he was after just "white people"...one would think he'd have found a better place, situation and time to get at more "white people".

Though I suppose if he was trying to help incite along a race war, he's taken it a decent step forward.

This tweet from the AP says he was specifically upset about Sterling/Castile, which would likely be why he targeted law enforcement. So more accurately, it's probably "white law enforcement".

BREAKING: Dallas police chief says suspect said he was upset about recent shootings, wanted to kill whites.

[taco.vidal]

Hate crime.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Acey

From what I recall it's slightly up in all categories vs 2015, which was slightly up vs 2014 - total deaths, injuries and officer-involved shootings.

Not a statisticly significant increase if I remember correctly. Gun death rate is pretty volitile as if a gun kills or misses is pretty random. I think shootings (a more statisticly significant measure) overall have gone down.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Hate crime.

Word.

I'm seeing people trying to argue on Twitter that it's not a hate crime, because of the implication by the chief that without Sterling/Castile the guy doesn't do this. But to me, for this week's events to be the breaking point there has to be a lot of underlying hate. Cause cops shooting people isn't a new thing.

[Hockeyguy15]

I feel like this guy would have done something like this eventually anyway. Sure the killing may have pushed him over the edge, but you don't have all this ready to go in a moments notice if you haven't thought about doing it before.

[PsYcNeT]

Pretty clearly a hate crime based on his words (in custody?).

[foshizzle11]

They used a robo bomb to kill the suspect who said he wanted to kill white people. So put an explosive device on they bomb squad robot and detonated it near the suspect. They said it was the only way to keep the officers safe. Wow, never heard of that happening before.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Pretty clearly a hate crime based on his words (in custody?).

I believe the one would made the statements was the one in the standoff/shootout with police that was killed by the explosive device.

[Drak]

Then we have this political idiot



How is this guy allowed to get away with sht like this? Trying to incite more violence and backlash, and he's a politician.

[CaptainCrunch]

Tactically this really hurts the argument that an armed civilian would have been able to stop this. The armed police were overwhelmed by one guy with a long rifle and a ton of ammunition. Those poor brave cops went towards the threat and not away from it, but they were mismatched by a guy with a long rifle a 30 round magazine and a weapon that wasn't designed for hunting or sport shooting but to kill people.

Make no mistake that's primarily what these kind of rifles are designed for. The poor ignorant bastards who hide behind the argument that these are for sport shooting or for hunting need to basically stfu.

Can you imagine if a poorly trained civilian with a hopped up adrenal response or 10 or 20 went up against this killer, we wouldn't be talking about 5 dead cops, we'd be talking about 30 dead civilians.

This is a horrific result by a angry guy who was given the means to give his anger physical manifestation thanks to the stupidity of the constitution of the United States, where the founding fathers after a day of brilliance probably sat around with a beer and said "We should give people the right to bear arms, and entrench it"

Even the founding fathers would probably quail and recant the "right to bear arms" if they had the foresight and creativity to see the evolution of the personal fire arm. More killing power fired faster and easier and no harder then dipping your feather topped pen in an ink well.

Well we need to stand up to an oppressive government they said, with well armed militias, thanks a lot Britain by the way. But the difference between civilian weapons and military weapons back there in the day before the repeating rifle and gattling guns to machine guns and laser guided munitions was zero. You're average battalion of soliders was armed just as well as your average group of drunken righteous angry farmers and town folk.

Does anyone here actually think that if the American government decided to put the hammer down, that these well armed and righteous militia groups would last longer then it takes some 18 year old army private to rip the tab off of his government issued beer and chortle "Its miller time" after mowing down a few hundred angry fat white militia members with his .50 caliber chain gun mounted on top of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

This whole thing is pointless and stupid and the second amendment has become a suicide pact backed my a power hungry lobby group supported by a money hungry gun manufacturing consortium.

No a freaking armed civilian isn't going to save the day in some random shooting incident. He's either going to stand there and piss his pants, or he's going to go hero and gun happy and probably do a better job of killing innocent people then some angry thrill killer hopped up on Crystal Meth and bad intentions.

Let me put it this way, this cop killer had every advantage last night, he had intention, he had ammunition, he clearly knew the area and he knew, he knew that the cops on the scene were outgunned by him, and he took advantage, and killed cops who had been lavishly trained and equip. Even after the initial shootings, he held the cops at bay for hours.

So what's some fat white guy hopped up on visions of medals and killin them thar bad guy going to do that the cops can't?

Or 5

Or 10

Or 20.

the name of the game is going to change again. This deranged angry social outcast has shown the way, he knew he wasn't going to get out alive and had no interest in that. Some where there's somebody or somebodies that are watching this on TV, probably in his crappy apartment where he walks up in the morning to a double helping of "Life ain't fair" and "F$$$ the po-olice" and he's thinking, I can do that, and probably better.

Meanwhile across the nation, the police are breaking this down and saying "never again" and they're going to up their police presence, and arms and armor, and they're going to ask for more laws to protect themselves and the civilian population. Then idiots like Trump and the radical right will scream "We can head this off by arming everyone" and the radical left will stand up and say "Oppressive government taking away our rights" and the mega Right will hold their AR-15's and AK-47's up and say "See we told you the guberment is taking over and they're going to take away my unnecessary and stupid people killing rifle."

And once again lost in this whole debate is "Why in the blue f%%% are we allowing these weapons out on the street", "how in the godamned hell is this making anything any safer", and "Why in the frack aren't we focusing on punishing the gun makers and gun sellers who are putting these weapons into peoples hands with slick heroic based messaging and advertising"

I think Charleton Heston in "Planet of the Apes" screamed out "Its a Mad House, a Mad House" and it certainly is, and trust me for all the good that Heston did for civil rights in the US, the irony doesn't escape me that he was one of the biggest proponents of individual fire arm rights during his life"

[DoubleF]

My goodness.

[AltaGuy]

Is taco.vidal the same person as Joe Walsh? Some excellent trolling.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Drak

Then we have this political idiot



How is this guy allowed to get away with sht like this? Trying to incite more violence and backlash, and he's a politician.

It's people like this Joe Walsh, that deep down, are jizzing themselves at the thought of an all-out race war. I sifted through his twitter profile last night and the guy is extreme.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Drak

Then we have this political idiot



How is this guy allowed to get away with sht like this? Trying to incite more violence and backlash, and he's a politician.

And he's basically threatening the president. Secret service should show up at his door.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by Drak

Then we have this political idiot



How is this guy allowed to get away with sht like this? Trying to incite more violence and backlash, and he's a politician.

The rights in US and Canadian for freedom of speech are quite different. In Canada, we have decided on a very liberal definition of hate speech and speech to incite violence. In the US, a very conservative stance has been taken on the two. In Canada, there have been people charged for lesser than what he has been spouting, vs the US I would actually be shocked if he was charged.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Not very often I appreciate one of Captain Crunch's ravings, but he nailed it! The 2nd amendment needs to be repealed and guns need strict controls. That coming from a (responsible) gun owner who is ready for the zombie apocalypse!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

The rights in US and Canadian for freedom of speech are quite different. In Canada, we have decided on a very liberal definition of hate speech and speech to incite violence. In the US, a very conservative stance has been taken on the two. In Canada, there have been people charged for lesser than what he has been spouting, vs the US I would actually be shocked if he was charged.

The difference between the two is responsibility. In Canada, when you say something publicly you are held responsible and accountable for the outcomes of what you say. In the United States there is no responsibility nor accountability. I don't know how you can have these incredibly powerful rights, yet have no associated responsibility in the exercise of those same rights. It is crazy, but so is the United States of America.