[Signing] Lucic to Oilers 7yrs ($6mil AAV)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Wheatking

I never post here but I'll just point out that if you're going to give McDavid 10M (it will probably be more), Draisaitl: 6 and Nurse: 5 (I don't see that happening), you should at least remove Fayne since his contract will be expired by then.

And I should also mention that you're bashing the Oilers for having too many good players. And I'm sure we'll also bash them for trading that talent to create some depth, right? One of RNH or Draisaitl will likely be moved at some point.

And look at the Flames. What do Monahan and Gaudreau get? The market has changed since Hall and Eberle signed their second contracts. Gaudreau deserves more than 6M and Monahan might as well. If Draisaitl is getting 6M then Bennett probably is too in a couple years. Elliott will be getting raise next summer. The Flames don't even have a #4-6 Dman right now. And Giordano isn't getting any younger. The window to win with him is shrinking.

Here's the difference sunshine. The Flames will be signing Mony and JG this year and be under the cap, with only Bennett really coming up as a bigger contract, and yet we have contracts coming off to make up for that and the Flames can do that because they actually have a decent prospect base. The Oilers really don't the good prospects that they have are already in the NHL but the rest of their cupboard is incredibly bare.



The Oilers are near the cap now, they don't have super huge contracts coming off of the books in time to absorb a roughly 15 million dollar increase.

And the Flames signed a needed free agent without hamstringing themselves with term or a NMC.

[Wheatking]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Height doesn't mean all that much nor does that weight, McDavid doesn't play a heavy game. Nor does Klefbom or Sekera and especially not Reinhart who's pillowy soft.

I do believe that the Oilers now lead the league in stupid with Nurse, Kassian Hendrickson and Maroon.

The day and age of heavy intimidating teams is pretty well leaving. If you're playing a team with a power play or with speed, they're going to intimidate your players with their ability to make you pay for your stupidity.

Again, it's more about having the strength to win a puck battle in the corner than beating people up.

And no offense but if you think Maroon is dirty (I won't dispute Nurse or Kassian) or that a player named "Hendrickson" exists, I question your credibility in this discussion...I only point this out because you randomly decided to call me Sunshine. I don't know what I've done to you.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Wheatking

Again, it's more about having the strength to win a puck battle in the corner than beating people up.

And no offense but if you think Maroon is dirty or that a player named "Hendrickson" exists, I question your credibility in this discussion.

Maroon might not be dirty, you don't get what I'm saying, he takes dumba%% penalties, and I felt like saying Hendrickson because I can, I know very well who the Oilers have.

Frankly I probably watch more Oilers hockey then you do.

[Mr.Coffee]

I'm thinking McDavid gets more than $10MM. He'll likely have a case for the maximum possible so long as he stays healthy for a prolonged time now. He is going to chew up a monster amount of cap space.

[Wheatking]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Maroon might not be dirty, you don't get what I'm saying, he takes dumba%% penalties, and I felt like saying Hendrickson because I can, I know very well who the Oilers have.

Frankly I probably watch more Oilers hockey then you do.

Nice save. And you're right. Maroon is a bad player. 14 points in 16 games and he makes 1.5M...but he takes bad penalties from time to time so the Oilers shouldn't have him.

There's a lot to hate about the Oilers line up, but Maroon isn't one of them. And neither is their general size.

[StrykerSteve]

7 years, this will come back to bite them in the arse before the deal expires. Good signing for tomorrow though. He's the type of player they desperately needed. They still go nowhere without upgrading their defence.

[Tinordi]

Ridiculous term, at least the Flames weren't the stupidest team out there today.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Wheatking

You're taking it out of context. All he meant was the Oilers were easy to play against. They weren't going to push back. He's not talking about literally being afraid to play the game.

...and no one with half a brain is saying "this is the year." Stupid people are the loudest.

Im taking it out of context? I quoted exactly what he said and I replied to exactly the point he was making, that they will no longer be an easy team to play against, now that they have him.

So who is taking it out of context?

And "Stupid people are the loudest"? Thats the pot calling the kettle black... Oh wait.. im taking it that out of context too, right?

[Wheatking]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Im taking it out of context? I quoted exactly what he said and I replied to exactly the point he was making, that they will no longer be an easy team to play against, now that they have him.

So who is taking it out of context?

And "Stupid people are the loudest"? Thats the pot calling the kettle black... Oh wait.. im taking it that out of context too, right?

That wasn't the point he was making. He was talking about the Oilers reputation over the last 10 years. Chiarelli has added a lot of size. Not just him. He never said he was the reason the team wasn't going to be easy to play against. Just that he was going to play a part in that. Which is true.

And yes. You are taking it out of context. I was talking about the Oilers fans that are saying "this is the year." They are stupid and louder than the more realistic fans.

A guy says Monahan, Gaudreau and Bennett are someday going to make a lot of money and he becomes public enemy #1. You guys need to chill out a little. I'm not here to insult you. Thanks for calling me stupid though.

[sureLoss]

Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
LA Kings made one last offer to Lucic on Thursday: 8 years and $34 million. Lucic got $42 M over 7 yrs in Edm

[Textcritic]

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Wow. That deal looks like a MASSIVE overpayment in this context.

[TheScorpion]

What a ridiculous deal by the Oilers. Still can't believe Lucia's only reason for going there is 97.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Wheatking

I never post here but I'll just point out that if you're going to give McDavid 10M (it will probably be more), Draisaitl: 6 and Nurse: 5 (I don't see that happening), you should at least remove Fayne since his contract will be expired by then.

And I should also mention that you're bashing the Oilers for having too many good players. And I'm sure we'll also bash them for trading that talent to create some depth, right? One of RNH or Draisaitl will likely be moved at some point.

And look at the Flames. What do Monahan and Gaudreau get? The market has changed since Hall and Eberle signed their second contracts. Gaudreau deserves more than 6M and Monahan might as well. If Draisaitl is getting 6M then Bennett probably is too in a couple years. Elliott will be getting raise next summer. The Flames don't even have a #4-6 Dman right now. And Giordano isn't getting any younger. The window to win with him is shrinking.

Originally Posted by Wheatking

So what should the Oilers have done? Not signed Lucic? Kept Hall and not got a Dman of any kind? Continue to be afraid to make a move and waste McDavid's time like they've done with Hall, Eberle and RNH?

Originally Posted by Wheatking

You can't criticize the Oilers future cap situation and then suggest they sign Demers when he is reportedly asking for 5.5M. I'd say that's the reason no team, including the Oilers, haven't signed him. He's one of those Dmen that is decent at everything and good at nothing. He's not the answer. It would be a signing just for the sake of making a signing. He'd also be a strong candidate to eventually be bought out. You know no one is going to trade for it.

What the Oilers really need is that true offensive Dman that can QB a PP and hold his own defensively. The Tyson Barrie rumours are heating up out of Colorado and that would be a big addition for the Oilers.

Stanley Cup winner Justin Schultz is available

Originally Posted by Wheatking

Three years ago the Oilers line up was...

Hall (6'1, 201) - RNH (6'0, 189) - Eberle (5'11, 181)
Perron (6'0, 200) - Gagner (5'10, 202) - Yakupov (5'11, 195)
Smyth (6'2, 191) - Gordon (6'0, 200) - Hemsky (6'0, 185)
Jones (6'0, 205) - Acton (6'3, 202) - Joensuu (6'4, 210)

Petry (6'3, 204) - J.Schultz (6'2, 193)
Ference (5'11, 183) - N.Schultz (6'1, 203)
Marincin (6'4, 201) - Belov (6'4, 218)

Now it's

Lucic (6'3, 230) - McDavid (6'1, 191) - Eberle (5'11, 181)
Maroon (6'3, 230) - Draisaitl (6'1, 214) - Puljujarvi (6'4, 204)
Pouliot (6'3, 200) - RNH (6'0, 189) - Kassian (6'3, 217)
Hendricks (6'0, 207) - Letestu (5'10, 197) - Pakarinen (6'1, 215)

Klefbom (6'3, 215) - Larsson (6'3, 205)
Davidson (6'2, 210) - Sekera (6'0, 198)
Nurse (6'4, 213) - Reinhart (6'4, 212)

I'd say things have changed. This line up needs a lot of work but it won't get pushed around like it has in the past. Big difference in the top 6 and defense.

Originally Posted by Wheatking

You're taking it out of context. All he meant was the Oilers were easy to play against. They weren't going to push back. He's not talking about literally being afraid to play the game.

...and no one with half a brain is saying "this is the year." Stupid people are the loudest.

Originally Posted by Wheatking

Again, it's more about having the strength to win a puck battle in the corner than beating people up.

And no offense but if you think Maroon is dirty (I won't dispute Nurse or Kassian) or that a player named "Hendrickson" exists, I question your credibility in this discussion...I only point this out because you randomly decided to call me Sunshine. I don't know what I've done to you.

Originally Posted by Wheatking

Nice save. And you're right. Maroon is a bad player. 14 points in 16 games and he makes 1.5M...but he takes bad penalties from time to time so the Oilers shouldn't have him.

There's a lot to hate about the Oilers line up, but Maroon isn't one of them. And neither is their general size.

Dont ever change.. Like "those bozo's up north", dont ever change..

i love Oilers fans. Perhaps you should refer to and go back to your very first sentence that I bolded for you.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Wheatking

I never post here but I'll just point out that if you're going to give McDavid 10M (it will probably be more), Draisaitl: 6 and Nurse: 5 (I don't see that happening), you should at least remove Fayne since his contract will be expired by then.

And I should also mention that you're bashing the Oilers for having too many good players. And I'm sure we'll also bash them for trading that talent to create some depth, right? One of RNH or Draisaitl will likely be moved at some point.

And look at the Flames. What do Monahan and Gaudreau get? The market has changed since Hall and Eberle signed their second contracts. Gaudreau deserves more than 6M and Monahan might as well. If Draisaitl is getting 6M then Bennett probably is too in a couple years. Elliott will be getting raise next summer. The Flames don't even have a #4-6 Dman right now. And Giordano isn't getting any younger. The window to win with him is shrinking.

Lol. Have you seen our D prospect pool? It's rich...very rich. I don't think we'll have any trouble with our 4-6 spots.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Lol. Have you seen our D prospect pool? It's rich...very rich. I don't think we'll have any trouble with our 4-6 spots.

In fact, one could argue our D prospect pool is the deepest in the league..

The Oilers would love to have a Derek Engalland or Denis Wideman or a Ladi Smid or a Jyrki Jokipakka or a .. Nevermind.. the list is too long..

Geez, we sure dont have any bottom 3 defender options.. The oilers have a few bottom 3 defender options, but theyre all playing in their top 3.

[Wheatking]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Stanley Cup winner Justin Schultz is available









Dont ever change.. Like "those bozo's up north", dont ever change..

i love Oilers fans. Perhaps you should refer to and go back to your very first sentence that I bolded for you.

What's your point? And why did you bold the part about me thinking the Oilers top 6 and defense is a lot bigger now than 3 years ago? That's kind of a fact. The Flames only have Giordano, Brodie and Hamilton signed on defense right now. They don't have anyone at 4-6. Another fact. I wasn't insulting them. I was just pointing out that money needs to be spent and Dmen aren't cheap. Demers is asking for 5.5 right now. I know you guys have some good prospects but you probably want some guys with experience too. Everyone wants long term deals that they aren't worthy of. It's crazy out there.

And again. I don't know what I've done to you to be insulted. I've been called stupid, sunshine and now a bozo. I don't think I've been nearly as hostile as you have. And don't worry, other Flames fans. I don't think this guy represents you. I wouldn't generalize like that.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

What a ridiculous deal by the Oilers. Still can't believe Lucia's only reason for going there is 97.

It's not, that's called blowing smoke. The reason he's going there is for the ridiculous contract.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Wheatking

What's your point? And why did you bold the part about me thinking the Oilers top 6 and defense is a lot bigger now than 3 years ago? That's kind of a fact. The Flames only have Giordano, Brodie and Hamilton signed on defense right now. They don't have anyone at 4-6. Another fact. I wasn't insulting them. I was just pointing out that money needs to be spent and Dmen aren't cheap. Demers is asking for 5.5 right now. I know you guys have some good prospects but you probably want some guys with experience too. Everyone wants long term deals that they aren't worthy of. It's crazy out there.

Just stop...

[Wheatking]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Just stop...

I will, but only because you aren't willing to have a discussion. Why would you bold that one part as though I didn't have more to say that was reasonable?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Wheatking

I will, but only because you aren't willing to have a discussion. Why would you bold that one part as though I didn't have more to say that was reasonable?

Not with someone who doesnt have a single rational thought. I sure dont.

Enjoy your big team!

I will enjoy my team with no defensive depth.. wow... just typing that when addressing an oilers fan is rediculous in itself.