Mayor orders mandatory evacuation of New Orleans

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally posted by Mccree@Sep 1 2005, 10:34 AM
Well I gave my $100 to the Red Cross. This is fataing crazy.

We all know that when a disaster happens else where the US normally offers aid but how come no one is offering aid to the US. I might be wrong but I have not heard any other country offering aid other than a small article in the Sun that mentioned Canada is monitoring the situation and will offer what ever is needed but no details yet.

First order of business was for Canada to send volunteers and medical supplies. Specifically, we are sending antibiotics to stop the spread of disease.

Obviously we can't send our troops in to help in the clean-up unless they ask for it, but Hillier said that we're ready to send in help the moment they ask for it. But we are sending police down to help out.

I think lots of countries are helping out. It just doesn't make it on CNN. The US doesn't like to hear about other countries helping THEM.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Eagle Eye@Sep 1 2005, 12:00 PM
The whole situation is unbelievable. I mean this was probably the worst case senario.

The cleanup and the cost is going to be astronomical. Even after they drain out the water (after they fix the levees) the entire city needs to be rebuilt. To me other the the major loss of life and having no warning, this disaster could end up being way worse then 9-11.

The storm curved a the last minute, if it kep on it's path it could have been 10x worse.

[arsenal]

Latest headline on CNN was something about hostpial being evacuated after comming under sniper fire.

WTF is wrong with these people? This is beyond ridiculous.

Devils'Advocate: The person that you went to coffee break with that said that, is a tool. Those people did not choose to get hit with the hurricane. It is not their fault that their government decided to give money to HLS istead of upgrade the levees. These people have lost everything, and New Orleans may be abandonded becuase of this.
Be passed at the govt all you want, but they did not choose to be in this position.

[arsenal]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Sep 1 2005, 01:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Sep 1 2005, 01:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Eagle Eye@Sep 1 2005, 12:00 PM
The whole situation is unbelievable. I mean this was probably the worst case senario.

The cleanup and the cost is going to be astronomical. Even after they drain out the water (after they fix the levees) the entire city needs to be rebuilt. To me other the the major loss of life and having no warning, this disaster could end up being way worse then 9-11.

The storm curved a the last minute, if it kep on it's path it could have been 10x worse. [/b][/quote]
40 to 60 thousand dead in New Orleans alone, easy.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally posted by Devils'Advocate@Sep 1 2005, 07:19 PM
First order of business was for Canada to send volunteers and medical supplies. Specifically, we are sending antibiotics to stop the spread of disease.

Yeah, NOW they take our medicine....But in all seriousness, this is a terrible thing and I am blown away by how much worse this has gotten....I agree with an earlier post that perhaps its just better to let it go, built a new New Orleans and leave the old one to go...But who knows what might happen...

Terrible stuff.

[Mccree]

Originally posted by Devils'Advocate@Sep 1 2005, 01:19 PM

I think lots of countries are helping out. It just doesn't make it on CNN. The US doesn't like to hear about other countries helping THEM.

I hope that is true. I would believe that all the help is coming from the diffferent countries RED CROSS.

I would have liked the Cdn government on DAY 1 say we will help just ask us. Not five days later and not by a press release. Why can't Paul Martin step in front of a mic ans show some leadership.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally posted by arsenal@Sep 1 2005, 12:23 PM
Devils'Advocate: The person that you went to coffee break with that said that, is a tool. Those people did not choose to get hit with the hurricane. It is not their fault that their government decided to give money to HLS istead of upgrade the levees. These people have lost everything, and New Orleans may be abandonded becuase of this.

Well, that there was the crux of the coversation we were having. How much is the electorate at fault for the sins of the elected? The people of Louisiana voted overwhelmingly for a continuation of the war and a growing HLS.

His other example was how complicit are the Canadian people who continue to re-elect the Liberals after the sponsership scandal?

It was his argument that you can't say "it was the governments fault" because it was always "the peope who elected that governments fault".

They may not have choosen the hurricane, but they chose a government which decided it had better things to do than prepare for a hurricane.

That part I agree with. The idea that that means they don't deserve help was the part that I disagreed with.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

What I am most astonished with is the horrible and I mean horrible responce from the White House, now I am not the biggest George W. bush fan out there, but at the same time I am not his biggest detractor, but at the same time he arrived late, there has been nothing in terms of aid for those who need it in terms of food, water, busses for evacuation and other necessary aspects required in an emergancy situation. Instead a flippant attitude has been shown and the press conferences have been laughable at best in terms of empathy shown. disappointing in every way possible, especially after the extraordinary responce that was shown after september 11th.

[habernac]

Fats Domino is among the missing....

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/2005/09/01/1197979-ap.html

[Flame On]

I heard the deputy pm last night had announced a raft of things they were offering up and they were also finding out what the US wanted.
Probably the rebuild that needs the most help.
The US is always there? True, but the percentage of help compared to wealth of the country and what they've given have contributed to pages of debate here before. Just saying, I infact think they should be given help.

[arsenal]

NOLA is a huge port for commerce and the oil & gas industry. So I could see the govt putting more money into HLS as it is a viable target.
The Orleans parish (Downtown New Orleans, and I beleive Ward 9 is part that parrish as well) actually voted Dems. So maybe that is why GW Bush has been slow to respond huh? I doubt it. He has activated 125, 000 reservists to help with this. But when the airport is closed, and one of 2 access roads under water, its going to take a few days to get help there.

As for the levees, they should have been built with a cat 5 hurricane in mind. Why they chose to only build for a cat 3 is beyond me. But it probably had to do with money back when they where first built. And I am sure that the state of Louisiana has been lobbying for new or upgraded levee's for a while. I don't imagine this is a new request. Why didn't Mr. Clinton upgrade them? He had a tonne of money to play with.

His other example was how complicit are the Canadian people who continue to re-elect the Liberals after the sponsership scandal

Don't forget the gun registry as well.
Correction, Ontario has been voting for the Liberals. Western Canada has been voting against the Liberals for a very very long time. When you know who has formed the new government, before your polls are even closed, it kind of makes you complacent.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Well, where there is Tragedy there is always a little humour..

Guy rubbing one out.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Race card being played on CNN... many of the "looters" and current victims being black and poor is getting coverage.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse@Sep 1 2005, 09:30 PM
Race card being played on CNN... many of the "looters" and current victims being black and poor is getting coverage.

All the coverage and pictures seen so far has been all of black people. Was New Orleans population predominantly black before? where are all the white people? The only white guy i've seen so far besides reporters is that guy in Mr. Farms picture.

[arsenal]

Ward 9 if it is the part of NOLA that I think it is, is an all black community. NOLA is highly segregated still. Ward 9 is one of the hardest hit areas.
That being said, there is a very large black community there.

There is a annual Rap Artist festival / awards there every year.

I am not trying to be racist or deragitory, but I don't think the majority of the black community had any means of getting out. Which is why you are seeing alot of black people. Everybody that was able to get out, was out 2 days before the storm hit.

And we are at the mercy of what the tv stations will show us.

[Devils'Advocate]

New Orleans has a large black population, but are still a minority. However, it does show the economic imbalance. Most of the white families GOT THE HELL AWAY in their nice fancy cars. So a lot of the people that are left are black. But as you can see by the picture above, there is a complete mix of races.

As for the looters being black, a friend of mine told me today that he was watching a white woman carrying bottled water, bread and various other necessities out of a convenience store and they were talking about how desperate the situation was and how people who otherwise wouldn't break into stores and steal things are forced into that situation. These poor people. Then five minutes later on another channel, they have a black guy leaving THE EXACT SAME STORE, taking similar items, and they were saying how the city had turned into animals. These horrible people.

Given the tragedy, this is probably an assinine question - but where do the Saints play on the 18th?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

In Texas (San Antonio I think) but I am sure that is the last thought on the mind of the residents of new Orleans. They will likealy have a similar situation as last year with the California wild fires that were out of control.

[Devils'Advocate]

I answered my own question. They are looking for another place. They are considering staying in San Antonio, or playing at LSU in Baton Rouge.

As for it being the last thing on peoples minds, I'm not so sure moving it to Baton Rouge is a bad idea.... the whole state is trying to help out here. Many are run ragged. I think they'll need a day to enjoy the simple pleasures of life. Obviously those IN New Orleans wouldn't be going, but they should give free tickets to the volunteers from Baton Rouge.

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by Mccree+Sep 1 2005, 12:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mccree @ Sep 1 2005, 12:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Devils'Advocate@Sep 1 2005, 01:19 PM

I think lots of countries are helping out. It just doesn't make it on CNN. The US doesn't like to hear about other countries helping THEM.

I hope that is true. I would believe that all the help is coming from the diffferent countries RED CROSS.

I would have liked the Cdn government on DAY 1 say we will help just ask us. Not five days later and not by a press release. Why can't Paul Martin step in front of a mic ans show some leadership. [/b][/quote]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9161198/

Nations from all over the world are offering aid.

[nfotiu]

Originally posted by Devils'Advocate@Sep 1 2005, 05:59 PM
New Orleans has a large black population, but are still a minority.

New Orleans proper is 68% black

http://neworleans.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm