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Old 09-06-2015, 12:25 PM   #221
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...Why?

Just so the Flames can say they were the first in the NHL? This isn't a competition.
Because they're my favourite team?

Wasn't thinking about it as a competition, simpleton.

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Old 09-06-2015, 12:29 PM   #222
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Ah crap, Quincy Egg found the FOI forum.
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We traded for Phil Kessel?


No.... That's Brian Burke
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Who's the guy to the right of Gio?
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CBC article today

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...sary-1.3217157

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Back in 1990 more than 100 people from Calgary's LGBTQ community gathered in Central Memorial Park in what would later become the city's first Pride rally.
It was organized to fight fear and ignorance and would go on to become an annual event that attracts thousands of people from all over the world.

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She said there was some ultra-right wing protesters who would yell and spit at them.
"One fellow brought his trio of pit bulls to frighten us," said Miller.
"I think every time someone saw the abuse that was hurled at us it just made them more determined to come back the next year."

The comments is pretty typical, unfortunately.
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On September 4 at 6:34 pm, this thread was started on notice being taken of the change of the Flames Facebook profile picture to a rainbow flag backed version of the team's logo.

Interestingly, the thread has contained much discussion of the Flames various community involvement including comparing supporting sick kids to marching in parades - straight or otherwise.

On September 4 at 10:30 am, another development had happened on the Flames Facebook page...they added a post that, to me, answers all of the discussion and debates going on here:

https://www.facebook.com/NHLFlames/p...53565716843704

A little toddler named Dominic Rooney died of leukemia. His sexual orientation could never be an issue...because he died before anyone could even bother to consider it.

Do Dominic's parents give any care in the world that the Flames paid a small (and I might add heart-wrenching) tribute to his life by posting on a website with a rainbow in their profile picture? My goodness I hope not.

Does anyone here really care whether the marriage Dominic might have grown up to have would have been to a girl or a boy?

Does anyone here really care that the Flames have gone out of their way to try to in some small way ease the pain of people who lost their child?

If the answer to that last question is, "no", then how could anyone in the world possibly care that the Flames are bundling up for the weather and walking down a street to in some small way make life better for other people in their community?

You do not have to be gay, or have a gay family member or friend to want people who happen not to identify as heterosexual to have less hardship in their lives. Any more than you need to have a personal connection to a cancer patient to want them to have an easier go of things...or to wish Syrian refugees were not washing up dead on beaches.

Right or wrong, celebrity comes with a certain magic..."ordinary" folks look up to professional athletes and sometimes get an incredible uplift in life by just getting a tweet from one...never mind a meeting in person or a visit to a dressing room or one of the team acknowledging that something important in their lives is worth being acknowledged or, Heaven forbid, (aware of my use of that phrase) even celebrated.

The Flames are using the magic of celebrity to make some people's lives better. I am a lawyer who has defended some pretty difficult and sometimes unpopular cases. I make a living out of passionately arguing for things I don't necessarily personally support...and I cannot come up with a single legitimate argument against using celebrity to do good in the community.

And looking at the pictures of Dominic underneath the rainbow-backed "Flaming C" goes a long way to demonstrate just how utterly irrelevant a person's sexual preferences are to any objective analysis of their worth as a person (I am also aware no one is overtly arguing against the value of the people in the Pride movement...but then I cannot understand really what the basis is to in any way care the Flames are supporting it).

The debate here can and likely should continue...I think my view is right and others are wrong, but in just the same way I argue above, who cares to call someone a homophobe or shout down their views of the world if they wish their sports team would not involve itself in politically or socially controversial issues?

Sometimes trying over and over to justify the unjustifiable is exactly the catalyst necessary for someone to re-think and then actually change his or her position. Welcome the opportunity to engage someone who completely disagrees with you...don't force them to hold their beliefs even more strongly but in private. Positive change will never happen that way.
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Shaw says he's part of their parade coverage:
And here I was all ready to congratulate him for just sticking to football.
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Was driving down 12th/11th Ave this afternoon and the roads were busy and lots of people walking with flags and what not. Looks like was a great turnout.
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I think the Pride Parade must be over. I didn't attend, but I've seen some colourfully-dressed people walk by my place here, and I did just see a naked man dancing in my mirror.
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I'm sorry you're too delicate to deal with the fact that calling a homophobe a homophobe is what should happen. Just like calling someone a racist when they're being effing racist is how it goes. Funny how you seemingly have no issue with that word, but oh golly gee whilikers, homophobe is the end of the bloody world. Please. Just please.
Eh... see, I've always maintained the same position. Basically, my response to anyone who opposed gay rights or gay marriage has traditionally been, "f*** you, I don't want to know you, you are a worse human being for your views".

And maybe that's true. But the tendency of those of us who are socially liberal to knee-jerk our way into these reactions on certain social justice topics produces a lot of bad behavior and bad results and can stifle discussion on legitimate topics in a sort of penumbra around these sorts of issues. That discussion can't happen because it becomes a witch hunt as everyone rushes past each other to be the first and loudest to shout down the heretic so as to reinforce to himself and others that he is progressive and all about equality! "See everyone? See how uncompromisingly, take-no-prisoners great and moral a person I am?"

For example, is being gay immoral? No argument there, it clearly is not. Should we legislate whether businesses should be permitted to discriminate on the basis of their religious beliefs? I think the answer is clearly no, but this is obviously the sort of topic where you cannot just shout down the other side and need to rebut their position rationally. Is it appropriate to have a legislated set of rights for LGBT persons, and what should be covered by that, or rather than leaving it to legislators, should we rely on the Courts read said rights into existing law? Whole big argument to have on that point. As Rube said earlier there are even very contentious, wholly non-bigoted arguments to have over whether pride events are actually a good thing at this point. But it's really hard to even get discussions like that started, and this applies to many current social issues, not just gay rights.

Now, that being said, I think for the most part, Larry is wrong - most posters in here weren't piling on the guy, just asking him to provide one good example of a reasonable, believable non-homophobic reason why the Flames shouldn't do this. Which is a completely different tone of discussion.
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Old 09-06-2015, 03:20 PM   #232
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Read some of the facebook comments just because I was curious. Good way to unneccesarily get yourself mad. Have to look at the positives though since I seen a lot more comments supporting than having negative things to say.
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I don't care one way or the other if they are in the parade or not. But I do believe that if they are going to support Calgary as a community there is nothing wrong with supporting every aspect of it.
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I don't care one way or the other if they are in the parade or not. But I do believe that if they are going to support Calgary as a community there is nothing wrong with supporting every aspect of it.
There it is. Okay, I'll bite. Since you're not going to say you're uncomfortable with homosexuality like everyone else that brings up issues with the Flames participation, please expand on your contention being that "there's nothing wrong supporting every aspect of it (the community).

What does that mean? What are they not supporting that they should be?
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The guy who runs the Flames facebook page did mention that they have changed the profile pic to support other causes before and they always post about various events the Flames are involved in. This isn't really getting special attention. If it is its minimal and probably warranted.
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There it is. Okay, I'll bite. Since you're not going to say you're uncomfortable with homosexuality like everyone else that brings up issues with the Flames participation, please expand on your contention being that "there's nothing wrong supporting every aspect of it (the community).

What does that mean? What are they not supporting that they should be?
My best friend is gay, so I definitely have no issues with homosexuality.

I simply don't give a flying #### about parades of any kind whether it be for gay pride or the Stampede.

As for me saying there is nothing wrong with showing support, I'm not sure what you are so up in arms about as that was directed at the people who seem to be taking issue with it.

But I do have one bone of contention. That is with people like yourself who are doing nothing more than trying to make a big deal about nothing because something may not have been worded absolutely perfectly.
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There it is. Okay, I'll bite. Since you're not going to say you're uncomfortable with homosexuality like everyone else that brings up issues with the Flames participation, please expand on your contention being that "there's nothing wrong supporting every aspect of it (the community).

What does that mean? What are they not supporting that they should be?
This is my biggest issue with this topic. Alberta Beef includes "but" and now he's cited as bad, as a homophobe. The witch-hunt on here for anyone not 100% support of all things gay is lame. The PC movement has gotten old.
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This is my biggest issue with this topic. Alberta Beef includes "but" and now he's cited as bad, as a homophobe. The witch-hunt on here for anyone not 100% support of all things gay is lame. The PC movement has gotten old.
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Here's a real distinction - linguistics if you will - that's really come out in this thread.

Calling someone a homophobe is in fact different than saying they are acting like one, saying something homophobic. Substitute almost any other adjective (silly, racist, intelligent even), as really, doesn't have to be this one.

So, if you get called out for saying or doing something homophobic, no one is calling you a homophobe, but they are saying that particular action came across as homophobic.

Getting back on topic, Jon Cornish takes on some Facebook commenters
https://www.facebook.com/CalgaryStam...259191/?type=1
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