[Signing] Canucks sign Vrbata (2yrs, $5mil AAV, limited NTC)

[evil1]

Some BS is hard to take. Even about Kesler.

GoJetsGo:

It's no surprise the first orders of business for someone with an ounce of hockey sense would remove those two as soon as possible. They were huge parts of the ongoing problem in Vancouver that clearly made it one of the most despised and ridiculed teams in the league.

We're talking about what was a strong regular season team having one bad season and a notoriously weak charactered individual wanting to bail mid season at the first sign the going was getting tough. When you combine that with his previous attitude problems, throwing team mates under the bus, and despicable on ice antics, you get a major pattern evolving.

On the other hand...

The Hockey News, Apr02, 2014:
Kesler sweepstakes to resume in June

NESN June 24, 2014:
Ducks, Blackhawks Front-Runners In Ryan Kesler Sweepstakes

Pro Hockey Talk June 26, 2014:
Kesler sweepstakes is only heating up

The consensus of credible independent third parties, in the hockey world, seems to disagree with the GoJetsGo assessment. Given that people pay to receive the articles quoted, & no one pays squat for your hockey opinion, maybe you should give your head a shake.

Having fun at a rival's expense is one thing. Spouting off hateful opinions without credible back up is something else.

PS- links are underlined

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Malkin

Vrbata is significantly better than Iggy

Yes, his one career 30 goal season speaks to that

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, his one career 30 goal season speaks to that

Look at his other posts, he just signed up to troll.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by evil1

Some BS is hard to take. Even about Kesler.

GoJetsGo:



On the other hand...

The Hockey News, Apr02, 2014:
Kesler sweepstakes to resume in June

NESN June 24, 2014:
Ducks, Blackhawks Front-Runners In Ryan Kesler Sweepstakes

Pro Hockey Talk June 26, 2014:
Kesler sweepstakes is only heating up

The consensus of credible independent third parties, in the hockey world, seems to disagree with the GoJetsGo assessment. Given that people pay to receive the articles quoted, & no one pays squat for your hockey opinion, maybe you should give your head a shake.

Having fun at a rival's expense is one thing. Spouting off hateful opinions without credible back up is something else.

PS- links are underlined

I really don't care if you don't like my opinion... there is more than enough evidence to support it.

The guy is a diver, a whiner and over-rated as a hockey player. He quit on his team at the first sign of trouble, and I think Anaheim is going to regret acquiring him.

[evil1]

GoJetsGo (Re: Kesler & Burrows):

It's no surprise the first orders of business for someone with an ounce of hockey sense would remove those two as soon as possible. They were huge parts of the ongoing problem in Vancouver that clearly made it one of the most despised and ridiculed teams in the league.

Re: Kesler

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I really don't care if you don't like my opinion... there is more than enough evidence to support it.

The guy is a diver, a whiner and over-rated as a hockey player. He quit on his team at the first sign of trouble, and I think Anaheim is going to regret acquiring him.

Credible evidence is backed up by credible third parties. Provide the evidence, or accept recognition as a BS-er.

Since highly paid NHL GMs have made offers for Kesler's services. You're already in a deep credibility hole. You're up to your belly in BS.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by evil1

GoJetsGo (Re: Kesler & Burrows):
Re: Kesler

Credible evidence is backed up by credible third parties. Provide the evidence, or accept recognition as a BS-er.

Since highly paid NHL GMs have made offers for Kesler's services. You're already in a deep credibility hole. You're up to your belly in BS.

Because if there's one thing that's a certainty, it's that there aren't GMs out there that make terrible decisions on a regular basis.

Maybe there are a few teams who look at his stats from a few years ago and have tapes of Vancouver's playoff win over Nashville. At the end of the day, my point stands: He's spineless and lacks character. For a team with a lot of character that might not be a big deal and maybe they feel they can roll the dice. Vancouver's core over the last few years was built around guys like this (as well as soft players).

Again, I don't really care if you don't like my opinion. This is a message board, and not a feature article in a newspaper or a GM summit. Kessler being a gutless dirt bag is not a new notion, and if you're looking for evidence perhaps you've been living under a rock. There's years worth of examples.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by evil1

GoJetsGo (Re: Kesler & Burrows):
Re: Kesler

Credible evidence is backed up by credible third parties. Provide the evidence, or accept recognition as a BS-er.

Since highly paid NHL GMs have made offers for Kesler's services. You're already in a deep credibility hole. You're up to your belly in BS.

GoJetsGo, is accurate. Kesler has unredeeming qualities. Diving, whining, hair-pulling & asking to be traded.

You take offense, as you're a Canucks fan. Your historical posting & trolling of Bruins, defending of Canucks business, and loyalty to a puke hockey player, speak to that.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Your historical posting & trolling of Bruins, defending of Canucks business, and loyalty to a puke hockey player, speak to that.

Or. And just follow me on this one; or he just thinks that Kesler can actually help a team and shouldn't be discounted because he will cheat to win. He will fit right in with the Ducks.

[evil1]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

GoJetsGo, is accurate. Kesler has unredeeming qualities. Diving, whining, hair-pulling & asking to be traded.

You take offense, as you're a Canucks fan. Your historical posting & trolling of Bruins, defending of Canucks business, and loyalty to a puke hockey player, speak to that.

It's fair to assume that many (if not most) Canuck fans aren't too high on Kesler these days. Stating that Kesler has value, undermines the validity of the package the Canucks got for him ... as opposed to supporting Canucks business. As for the Habs beating the Bruins. Olé, olé, olé.

You seem to be confused. Oh, well, when people don't have anything intelligent to counter someone else's argument, they can simply accuse them of being a rival's fan.

GoJetsGo said

It's no surprise the first orders of business for someone with an ounce of hockey sense would remove those two as soon as possible.

Which, judging from comments in outside world, is BS.

[GoJetsGo]

I realize that it's upsetting for Canuck fans to read my opinion, but it really shouldn't be so hard to grasp if you'd set the frustration aside.

Kessler and Burrows were the poster boys for everything that was wrong with the brand of Hockey Vancouver has played for the last four or five seasons. Diving, whining, turtling, biting, hair pulling etc. Kessler in specific has thrown teammates under the bus and just effectively quit on his team and demanded out at the first sign of trouble this season.

That team is/was in need of a MASSIVE culture change. Their core was comprised of the Sedins (who despite their undeniable talent, can be summed up by the one that allowed himself to be rag-dolled in the cup finals with absolutely no push back) - and two absolute character-less dirt bags in Kessler and Burrows. The latter two exemplified the brand of hockey the Canucks have employed over the last few years. That diving emasculated style of play was regarded around the league as the worst brand of hockey in the NHL for some time now.

I said - and still maintain - for someone with any hockey sense coming in, I'd zero in on Kessler and Burrows and turf both of them. I understand they won't be KHL bound, but just because a few other teams might want to take them on doesn't change the fact they are spineless rats who were major perpetrators in breeding that awful culture in Vancouver in recent years.

You can dislike my opinion all you want. But suggesting those two players can be viewed as detriments for their gutless antics is valid opinion whether you find the notion upsetting or not.

[Chill Cosby]

I don't even like anything about the Canucks and this seems pretty desperately over the top to me.

[evil1]

Regardless of his antics & how much some despise Kesler, he has value. "The first orders of business for someone with an ounce of hockey
sense" is not to remove Kesler. GMs want him. GMs have more than an ounce of hockey sense.

Biter Burrows is incidental to the Kesler discussion.

[Calgary4LIfe]

If the Canucks move Burrows, they will be a team with less of a reason to hate. I will still hate them of course, but a little less after Kesler is gone, and if Burrows gets traded. Bieksa after please?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by evil1

Regardless of his antics & how much some despise Kesler, he has value. "The first orders of business for someone with an ounce of hockey
sense" is not to remove Kesler. GMs want him. GMs have more than an ounce of hockey sense.

Biter Burrows is incidental to the Kesler discussion.

Benning came in fully aware of Kessler and his reputation, and knew he had quit on the team last season and wanted out.

Do you honestly think his main objective was to sit down and try to convince him to stay? Or did he simply wash his hands of him?

I think it's the latter. Addition by subtraction in Vancouver's case, as they have a long road ahead trying to turn that team into a character driven environment, and Ryan Kessler doesn't help that goal one bit.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

If the Canucks move Burrows, they will be a team with less of a reason to hate. I will still hate them of course, but a little less after Kesler is gone, and if Burrows gets traded. Bieksa after please?

I'm fine if they keep Bieksa. Watching him get beat up in fights is pretty hilarious. I also appreciate the fact that he took the face off in the brawl last season. It was a stand up move on his part and I often wonder if that brawl would have actually happened had Bieksa not stepped in and replaced the rookie that was lined up in front of westgarth. I personally don't think westgarth would have dropped the gloves with the other player at the dot.

[evil1]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Benning came in fully aware of Kessler and his reputation, and knew he had quit on the team last season and wanted out.

Do you honestly think his main objective was to sit down and try to convince him to stay? Or did he simply wash his hands of him?

I think it's the latter. Addition by subtraction in Vancouver's case, as they have a long road ahead trying to turn that team into a character driven environment, and Ryan Kessler doesn't help that goal one bit.

It's the GM's responsibility to ice the best team & get the most in trades. Not get the trade done as quickly as possible, as "the first orders of business" (as you say), at the expense of the package recieved. A good GM places the interests of the club over his player friendships. Benning may have wanted to get rid of Kesler even before Kesler requested a trade, but not under such tight contraints (time & #teams).

The time & destination constraints were a result of Kesler's demands, not Bennings burning desire to get rid of him immediately at any cost, because Kesler's character was disliked.

Dislike for the GM's team in opposing buildings is not the GM's concern. The GM's of the opposing teams may actually prefer a good 'hate on' to draw fans.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by evil1

It's the GM's responsibility to ice the best team & get the most in trades. Not get the trade done as quickly as possible, as "the first orders of business" (as you say), at the expense of the package recieved. A good GM places the interests of the club over his player friendships. Benning may have wanted to get rid of Kesler even before Kesler requested a trade, but not under such tight contraints (time & #teams).

The time & destination constraints were a result of Kesler's demands, not Bennings burning desire to get rid of him immediately at any cost, because Kesler's character was disliked.

Dislike for the GM's team in opposing buildings is not the GM's concern. The GM's of the opposing teams may actually prefer a good 'hate on' to draw fans.

Could you possibly have jumped to bigger conclusions based off a few sentences I typed that upset you? I think I've made my points very clearly (regardless of how much you disagree) and now you're just jumping on semantics.

I'm not suggesting they traded Kessler quickly because they couldn't stand the thought of him being on the team a minute longer. I'm suggesting they felt they were better off with he and his character problems gone, and felt it best to honour his desire to get out of dodge. I never suggested they accepted the package from Anaheim in haste. You're just getting silly now.

My earlier suggestion was merely pointing out I think (in my opinion) Benning came in knowing the awful culture in Vancouver and identified the players who most exemplify that and that they need to go.

It's starting to get silly how much you're focusing on that "first order of business" sentence. Are you going to tell me next that he probably first looked at where his office was and noted where the bathroom was?

[Wedge]

Originally Posted by evil1

GoJetsGo (Re: Kesler & Burrows):
Re: Kesler

Credible evidence is backed up by credible third parties. Provide the evidence, or accept recognition as a BS-er.

Since highly paid NHL GMs have made offers for Kesler's services. You're already in a deep credibility hole. You're up to your belly in BS.

Dude, if you seriously can't see the character issues with Kesler and Burrows you're blind. Outside of maybe a Bob Mackenzie, probably the straightest, most objective guy in hockey went beyond the call of duty to call out Burrows clown show, causing Canuck nation to start crying. Believe it or not, Ron Mclean would be a pretty reliable third party. Moreover, look at burrows history of assaulting a ref in the echl and assaulting a teenager during a ball hockey game during the off season a few years back.

As for Kesler, he's worse.

The only thing worse than these Canuck players are those Canuck fans who believe in them and failed to call bs on their #### show.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I realize that it's upsetting for Canuck fans to read my opinion, but it really shouldn't be so hard to grasp if you'd set the frustration aside.

It's not that it's upsetting. It's that it is so over the top that it borders on pantomime theatre where Burrows and Kessler are evil villains who sodomized your family.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Kessler and Burrows were the poster boys for everything that was wrong with the brand of Hockey Vancouver has played for the last four or five seasons. Diving, whining, turtling, biting, hair pulling etc. Kessler in specific has thrown teammates under the bus and just effectively quit on his team and demanded out at the first sign of trouble this season.

Go on.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

That team is/was in need of a MASSIVE culture change. Their core was comprised of the Sedins (who despite their undeniable talent, can be summed up by the one that allowed himself to be rag-dolled in the cup finals with absolutely no push back) - and two absolute character-less dirt bags in Kessler and Burrows. The latter two exemplified the brand of hockey the Canucks have employed over the last few years. That diving emasculated style of play was regarded around the league as the worst brand of hockey in the NHL for some time now.

Okay. Tell me more.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I said - and still maintain - for someone with any hockey sense coming in, I'd zero in on Kessler and Burrows and turf both of them. I understand they won't be KHL bound, but just because a few other teams might want to take them on doesn't change the fact they are spineless rats who were major perpetrators in breeding that awful culture in Vancouver in recent years.

It's not so much that "a few other teams" wanted to take Kessler on. It's that at the deadline over a third of the teams in the league inquired about it. He was very close to being a Penguin. He was very close to being a Blackhawk. He ended up a Duck. These are all very good teams looking to contend. These are all teams that built winners. It's not just that Kessler isn't KHL bound, he was deemed good enough for great, contending teams to offer up packages to get him. You are accusing two of the better run teams, and a team that has been on the cusp, of having no hockey sense.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You can dislike my opinion all you want. But suggesting those two players can be viewed as detriments for their gutless antics is valid opinion whether you find the notion upsetting or not.

I am sure they can be viewed as detriments. The issue for you is that only you seem to view them as such vile, despicable people that even having them on your team will bring about a scary end.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I'm not suggesting they traded Kessler quickly because they couldn't stand the thought of him being on the team a minute longer. I'm suggesting they felt they were better off with he and his character problems gone, and felt it best to honour his desire to get out of dodge. I never suggested they accepted the package from Anaheim in haste. You're just getting silly now.

They moved Kessler quickly because he asked to get moved. No more reasons, no fewer reasons.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

My earlier suggestion was merely pointing out I think (in my opinion) Benning came in knowing the awful culture in Vancouver and identified the players who most exemplify that and that they need to go.

Or... you know... they asked for a trade.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It's starting to get silly how much you're focusing on that "first order of business" sentence. Are you going to tell me next that he probably first looked at where his office was and noted where the bathroom was?

It was a silly thing to say.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

It's not that it's upsetting. It's that it is so over the top that it borders on pantomime theatre where Burrows and Kessler are evil villains who sodomized your family.



Go on.



Okay. Tell me more.



It's not so much that "a few other teams" wanted to take Kessler on. It's that at the deadline over a third of the teams in the league inquired about it. He was very close to being a Penguin. He was very close to being a Blackhawk. He ended up a Duck. These are all very good teams looking to contend. These are all teams that built winners. It's not just that Kessler isn't KHL bound, he was deemed good enough for great, contending teams to offer up packages to get him. You are accusing two of the better run teams, and a team that has been on the cusp, of having no hockey sense.



I am sure they can be viewed as detriments. The issue for you is that only you seem to view them as such vile, despicable people that even having them on your team will bring about a scary end.



They moved Kessler quickly because he asked to get moved. No more reasons, no fewer reasons.



Or... you know... they asked for a trade.



It was a silly thing to say.

While it's really clear you have blinders on and a deep underlaying insecurity about all of the things I'm saying ringing true, you're also very slow to understand. Either that, or you're being purposely obtuse.

Some teams (who I feel are in error) might have wanted Kessler, but those teams aren't made up around a core of soft, emasculated divers. Vancouver is. That's why I suggest it was on Benning's agenda to wash his hands of Kessler rather than try to keep him.

The fact you went so far as to justify his quitting on the team and chalking up that pouting as "having a winning" attitude tells me all I need to know about you and the lengths you'll go to in order to keep those blinders on. The prolong formatting of responses saying nothing dripping with sarcasm and hyperbole are just the icing on the cake.