[Signing] Canucks sign Vrbata (2yrs, $5mil AAV, limited NTC)

[Sylvanfan]

Phoenix Vrbata had been a solid NHL player. 20 goals, 50 points playing against stiff competition. The Vrbata who played anywhere else was not the same player. At his age he is unlikely to score 30 goals or 60 points again. Not sure where the Canucks plan to use him this season, he might put up some points with the twins, but than Burrows ends up being a 6 goal a year guy.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Phoenix Vrbata had been a solid NHL player. 20 goals, 50 points playing against stiff competition. The Vrbata who played anywhere else was not the same player. At his age he is unlikely to score 30 goals or 60 points again. Not sure where the Canucks plan to use him this season, he might put up some points with the twins, but than Burrows ends up being a 6 goal a year guy.

The Canucks plan to use him with the Sedins. Apparently, Vrbata's wife was dealing with a difficult pregnancy the year he signed with the Lightning and the Lightning gave up on him way too soon. He's a good player.

[sun]

I think he could put up 30/60 with the sisters.

[Resolute 14]

30/60 would be the high water mark for him, I think. None of these three are in their prime. If he doesn't play with the Sedins, probably 15-20/40-50 at most

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

but than Burrows ends up being a 6 goal a year guy.

Likely on a team other than the Canucks.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Likely on a team other than the Canucks.

You think they'll trade him?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You think they'll trade him?

One of the rumours is that he is the other NTC that Benning has asked to waive. I suspect Jim doesn't think favorably of the biter after the SCF and had put him in the same camp as Garrison was (not part of future plans).

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

One of the rumours is that he is the other NTC that Benning has asked to waive. I suspect Jim doesn't think favorably of the biter after the SCF and had put him in the same camp as Garrison was (not part of future plans).

I thought I heard Burrows turned down a trade...don't know which team though. Anyways, I don't Vrbata will be playing with the sisters, though.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I thought I heard Burrows turned down a trade...don't know which team though. Anyways, I don't Vrbata will be playing with the sisters, though.

What someone said was Benning only wanted to clear some cap space so which ever one of Garrison and Burrows he could move first. Moved Garrison so now he can wait on Burrows, not just dump him.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

One of the rumours is that he is the other NTC that Benning has asked to waive. I suspect Jim doesn't think favorably of the biter after the SCF and had put him in the same camp as Garrison was (not part of future plans).

If this is true, I like how you jump to the conclusion it's because of the cup finals a few years back.

On the contrary, it's exactly like I told you a few weeks ago. Kessler and Burrows are complete emasculated rats completely devoid of character. Despite what they bring to the table in the intangibles department, their complete lack of character and integrity is an absolute detriment to their team.

It's no surprise the first orders of business for someone with an ounce of hockey sense would remove those two as soon as possible. They were huge parts of the ongoing problem in Vancouver that clearly made it one of the most despised and ridiculed teams in the league. The diving, biting, hair pulling etc... was a much bigger deal than you and most other Canuck fans are/were willing to accept.

I'm actually disappointed Vancouver has hired someone that figured this out.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

30/60 would be the high water mark for him, I think. None of these three are in their prime. If he doesn't play with the Sedins, probably 15-20/40-50 at most

High water mark? I doubt it. If Vrbata somehow manages to flirt with 30/60 then Canucks fans should consider this akin to a minor miracle; this would be the first time any line mate of the Sedins significantly surpassed the 50 point mark since they were elite players on an elite, dominant team back in 2010.

The Sedins ARE NOT 29-years-old, and neither is Vrbata. I quite like this signing because Canucks management seems to think that all three still are.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

If this is true, I like how you jump to the conclusion it's because of the cup finals a few years back.

Actually, that was a joke stemming from Benning's time with the Bruins. In all likelihood I think it has more to do with Burrows being old, having a terrible year last year and Benning not seeing him as part of the team's plans. House cleaning contracts left by former GMs.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

On the contrary, it's exactly like I told you a few weeks ago. Kessler and Burrows are complete emasculated rats completely devoid of character. Despite what they bring to the table in the intangibles department, their complete lack of character and integrity is an absolute detriment to their team.

K.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It's no surprise the first orders of business for someone with an ounce of hockey sense would remove those two as soon as possible. They were huge parts of the ongoing problem in Vancouver that clearly made it one of the most despised and ridiculed teams in the league. The diving, biting, hair pulling etc... was a much bigger deal than you and most other Canuck fans are/were willing to accept.

Uh... yeah. You seem to be forgetting two huge things that totally de-rail your, bordering-on-obsessive, on-going rant. Kesler actually demanded a trade and was dealt for that reason and when given the option of dumping one contract for nothing, Benning chose Garrison. I have no doubt Burrows is gonna go, but Benning has made the decision to go into the season with him if he has too.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I'm actually disappointed Vancouver has hired someone that figured this out.

Don't worry. You're still probably the only one who gets this heated about it.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Uh... yeah. You seem to be forgetting two huge things that totally de-rail your, bordering-on-obsessive, on-going rant. Kesler actually demanded a trade and was dealt for that reason and when given the option of dumping one contract for nothing, Benning chose Garrison. I have no doubt Burrows is gonna go, but Benning has made the decision to go into the season with him if he has too.

Except Kessler demanding a trade just further underlines my point about a what a complete lack of character he displays. That entire situation is par for the course with him. The going gets tough, and he wants out. The way he's handled his departure couldn't be any more in line with what a despicable person he is.


I don't think it's a coincidence that Burrows is on his way out either.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Don't worry. You're still probably the only one who gets this heated about it.

Yea, I was just about to go and threaten some teenage girls on twitter and flip over some police cars.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Except Kessler demanding a trade just further underlines my point about a what a complete lack of character he displays. That entire situation is par for the course with him. The going gets tough, and he wants out. The way he's handled his departure couldn't be any more in line with what a despicable person he is.

My god! Does Anaheim know what they've just gotten themselves into?! Kesler is a very winning oriented guy. His out-look is cup or bust, and really that is what you want from a player when they're on your team. Guy who will do everything and anything to win. Does it suck for the Canucks and Canucks fans? Yeah, but he isn't the first player to request a trade. Unless you're implying such venerated names as Raymond Bourque are also terrible, horrible people for wanting to win.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I don't think it's a coincidence that Burrows is on his way out either.

So because Kesler asked to leave Benning decided "May as well trade Burrows too."? Or is the implication that Burrows also asked for a trade?

You know what's more likely? Kesler asked for a trade and Benning decided better to have people who want to be here. Then he looked at his roster and made another decision: lets do some house cleaning so we have cap space for July 1st. He decided the Burrows deal and the Garrison deal did not fit in going forward, so he decided to try and move one. Despite Burrows terrible person-ness he opted to dump the Garrison contract which means we have to assume Garrison is a serial-child killer and puppy kicker because how could any sane person do that over the spineless worm that is Burrows. And hell, this is all rumour and speculation (mind you, from people who have been good at knowing goings on) so maybe it wasn't even Burrows, just Garrison!

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Yea, I was just about to go and threaten some teenage girls on twitter and flip over some police cars.

"And then, I will bring up the riot and get all the thanks and people will laud me for my incrediblly clever attacks on the Canucks fan! I will be the favoured Jets fan on all of CP!"

WE HAVE NOW GONE: 4 0 DAYS WITHOUT BRINGING UP THE RIOT IN HOCKEY ARGUMENTS WITH CANUCKS FANS.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

My god! Does Anaheim know what they've just gotten themselves into?! Kesler is a very winning oriented guy. His out-look is cup or bust, and really that is what you want from a player when they're on your team. Guy who will do everything and anything to win. Does it suck for the Canucks and Canucks fans? Yeah, but he isn't the first player to request a trade. Unless you're implying such venerated names as Raymond Bourque are also terrible, horrible people for wanting to win.




So because Kesler asked to leave Benning decided "May as well trade Burrows too."? Or is the implication that Burrows also asked for a trade?

You know what's more likely? Kesler asked for a trade and Benning decided better to have people who want to be here. Then he looked at his roster and made another decision: lets do some house cleaning so we have cap space for July 1st. He decided the Burrows deal and the Garrison deal did not fit in going forward, so he decided to try and move one. Despite Burrows terrible person-ness he opted to dump the Garrison contract which means we have to assume Garrison is a serial-child killer and puppy kicker because how could any sane person do that over the spineless worm that is Burrows. And hell, this is all rumour and speculation (mind you, from people who have been good at knowing goings on) so maybe it wasn't even Burrows, just Garrison!





"And then, I will bring up the riot and get all the thanks and people will laud me for my incrediblly clever attacks on the Canucks fan! I will be the favoured Jets fan on all of CP!"

WE HAVE NOW GONE: 4 0 DAYS WITHOUT BRINGING UP THE RIOT IN HOCKEY ARGUMENTS WITH CANUCKS FANS.

Wow, what a heated reply. Sarcasm and hyperbole at maxim levels. Seems like it touched a nerve alluding to the fact it's ironic a Canuck fan would talk about extreme over reactions to hockey related things.

Also pretty remarkable that you're still defending Kessler. The first signs of the team slipping last year and there were reports he wanted out during the season. It's pretty astounding you're still trying to avoid admitting the guy is a rat. That's the attitude of a winner? Someone who wants out the minute there's signs of trouble? Can you take it one further and suggest he's such a winner he has no problem diving into summersaults trying to draw penalties? Remarkable.

It's the same with Burrows. His stats plummet last year and the logical conclusion is that's the reason he's supposedly on his way out? Why doesn't that logic to apply to all the other players that had their stats drop off the map? Just a year or two ago we were all hearing how Burrows was one of the better value contracts in the league...

I realize you're deeply deeply offended by my opinion, but I still suggest there's a lot of validity to it.

Had Kessler been the valuable winning oriented 2nd line centre you're making him out to be, why wasn't there an effort made by the new regime to keep him?

Because he's a complete dirt bag, and counter productive to a winning environment.

Just like Burrows. Those two were the poster boys for everything that's been wrong with your team for the last five years. And I think this has finally been identified and is being addressed now that someone with some hockey sense has taken over.

[Chill Cosby]

Perhaps you guys should hug it out. You both have terrible teams to bond over.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Wow, what a heated reply. Sarcasm and hyperbole at maxim levels. Seems like it touched a nerve alluding to the fact it's ironic a Canuck fan would talk about extreme over reactions to hockey related things.

Not really a nerve per se, more of an "Aw geeze, not this #### again." It has literally been 4 years of the same fall back in every argument I've gotten into on this forum. "Yeah, well you guys rioted." Gets old.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Also pretty remarkable that you're still defending Kessler. The first signs of the team slipping last year and there were reports he wanted out during the season. It's pretty astounding you're still trying to avoid admitting the guy is a rat. That's the attitude of a winner? Someone who wants out the minute there's signs of trouble? Can you take it one further and suggest he's such a winner he has no problem diving into summersaults trying to draw penalties? Remarkable.

I don't seen an issue with a guy getting a say in where he wants to do his job. Trade requests are nothing new. We hear about them every year, and there are probably a dozen more we don't hear about. I've always realized Kesler was a ###### and like I said before, most people started turning on him after 2010 and his comments about Luongo. But the guy is just all about winning. He doesn't want to lose and he knows even with him the Canucks need to rebuild and that will take years. Self-serving? Sure, but he will help Anaheim a lot.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It's the same with Burrows. His stats plummet last year and the logical conclusion is that's the reason he's supposedly on his way out? Why doesn't that logic to apply to all the other players that had their stats drop off the map? Just a year or two ago we were all hearing how Burrows was one of the better value contracts in the league...

Because a year or two ago he was making $2 million less and scoring 25+ goals a year.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I realize you're deeply deeply offended by my opinion, but I still suggest there's a lot of validity to it.

You confuse offended with not agreeing. I just think you're wrong and have a lot of vitriol for two guys you've never met.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Had Kessler been the valuable winning oriented 2nd line centre you're making him out to be, why wasn't there an effort made by the new regime to keep him?

There probably was. But like I said: With him or without him the team was rebuilding and he wanted no part in it.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Because he's a complete dirt bag, and counter productive to a winning environment.

Or that.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Just like Burrows. Those two were the poster boys for everything that's been wrong with your team for the last five years. And I think this has finally been identified and is being addressed now that someone with some hockey sense has taken over.

Okay, sure. That's it. You nailed it. Economics, trade requests and a new gm wanting his own direction have nothing to do with it. It's cause these two are slimy greasy evil people.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I don't seen an issue with a guy getting a say in where he wants to do his job. Trade requests are nothing new. We hear about them every year, and there are probably a dozen more we don't hear about. I've always realized Kesler was a ###### and like I said before, most people started turning on him after 2010 and his comments about Luongo. But the guy is just all about winning. He doesn't want to lose and he knows even with him the Canucks need to rebuild and that will take years. Self-serving? Sure, but he will help Anaheim a lot.

And it's been four+ years of Canuck fans like you making excuses for the despicable antics of those two players at every turn.

One poor season and Kessler is justified in your eyes of wanting to jump ship (mid season) and you just chalk that up to the attitude of a guy who "just wants to win"?

We're not talking about Bourque or Iginla near the end of their careers leaving a team scorching things and starting over. We're talking about what was a strong regular season team having one bad season and a notoriously weak charactered individual wanting to bail mid season at the first sign the going was getting tough. When you combine that with his previous attitude problems, throwing team mates under the bus, and despicable on ice antics, you get a major pattern evolving. It's not difficult to call a spade a spade with Kessler yet you continue to make excuses for him.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Okay, sure. That's it. You nailed it. Economics, trade requests and a new gm wanting his own direction have nothing to do with it. It's cause these two are slimy greasy evil people.

I think it has a lot more to do with it than you're willing to let on. You've obviously had to wear blinders to justify cheering for that team and it's brand of hockey over the last five years. No surprise you find a sensible notion like that so easy to dismiss.

[ripTDR]

I like this.
Let the hate flow.
Let it consume you to the point of obsession, of what really is a common hockey transaction. Trying to prove yourself right while the point of the thread was lost long ago.
It's a long summer and I need the entertainment.
Keep it up!!

[Malkin]

Vrbata is significantly better than Iggy