[News] Flames will keep Monahan for the rest of the season

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by davidbjordan

Post-apex mind, pre-apex body... deadly combination

"veteran mind" and "post-apex mind" are not the same thing.

Post-apex would refer to a downturn in cognitive ability. So, you're effectively saying "old, slowing, degrading mind".

...so no, that's not a good thing. However, it could be deadly. Someone with the youthful exuberance of a 19 year old and the slowing mind of an 89 year old would probably run into some dangerous situations.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Fair enough, but you're still basing this on a shooting percentage of 20%. Steven Stamkos is consistently tops in the league among snipers in this category and usually comes in in the high teens. Does Monahan really finish better than Steven Stamkos?

I really think a regression to low 20s in goals is reasonable. ~22 goals and 50 or so points would be a good rookie season. Let's not get too starry eyed here.

I am not at all starry eyed. I am merely pointing out the fact that regression to the mean can take place from the change in any of the variables (or more likely, some combination of several), not just the one you focused on.

Not saying you did, but I have seen posters on many occasions say things like "his SH% is 28% and 14% is normal, so expect his goal scoring rate to drop in half". It's a fallacious argument and demonstrates a lack of understanding of statistics.

And I agree, 20 goals, 50 pts would be a good rookie season.

[McLintock]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And I agree, 20 goals, 50 pts would be a good rookie season.

I know a guy who had a a good rookie season too.
1996-97 Calgary 82 GP 21G 29A 50P -4

[davidbjordan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

"veteran mind" and "post-apex mind" are not the same thing.

Post-apex would refer to a downturn in cognitive ability. So, you're effectively saying "old, slowing, degrading mind".

...so no, that's not a good thing. However, it could be deadly. Someone with the youthful exuberance of a 19 year old and the slowing mind of an 89 year old would probably run into some dangerous situations.

Clever... using the same rational a veteran mind might be damaged by the trauma of war time... so it won't be much good to a young hockey player either...

But if you assume that post apex (per Weisbrod's definition) is an aging hockey player (in his 30's) you assume of sound hockey mind, starting to lose a step in the body my comment is right on

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

That's a fair point, but the NHL is all about asset management. The point of a rebuild is to "start cheap" by bringing in prospects and drafting players who are on their ELCs and/or on cheap contracts, so that as you develop them in the next few years you have players on bargain contracts and you supplement that with free agent signings and trades.

By blowing a year on Monahan's ELC, the rebuild window has been crunched by that much. Now he's an RFA a year earlier and we have that much less cap that year.

This is ignoring the junior vs NHL development debate.

The difference between his entry level deal and his 2nd contract won't be enough to "crunch the rebuild window". It only affects the cap for 1 year of his career (the year that will be the 4th year, and could have been the 3rd). The Flames have a really good salary structure long term and thus don't need the cap relief as much as some teams have. Not to mention the cap may just go up and up again in the future.

We have to spend the money on somebody, might as well be our best young centre in decades. I really don't think you can send him down strictly because you want to save a few million in one year of his career. You do what is best for his career because that is the more important consideration.

[CaptainCrunch]

We'd better be moving out of the rebuild window in the next three years and competing for a playoff spot.

None of this 7 year Oiler BS

[Stupid]

Who is Monahan billeting with now? Not sure if it's mentioned in the videos as they're not playing for me right now =/

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by driveway

That's an interesting comparison. When the Bruins elected to keep Bergeron his stat line after nine games was:

2g 5a 7p +5 0pim 1PPG 14shots 14.2%shooting averaging 13:27/game ice time.

The Bruins record at the time was 5-2-2-0

Bergeron finished the season with 16g 23a 39p +5 22pim 12.0% shooting
The Bruins finished 41-19-15-7, won their division and then lost in 7 to Montreal.

I'd say that staying in the NHL did nothing to hurt Bergeron's development as he followed his rookie year with two 70-point seasons and had 7 points in 10 games when he got concussed.

We can only hope staying in the NHL has a similar (though greater, let's be greedy) effect on Monahan.

Side note: Jones only got a two game suspension for obliterating Bergeron's skull on that hit.

The only thing that I'm concerned about is the difference between Bergeron being around a winning team and Monahan being around a losing one.

There are fair arguments both ways, I just hope they made the right one.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Stupid

Who is Monahan billeting with now? Not sure if it's mentioned in the videos as they're not playing for me right now =/

Fan960 mentioned he was given some choices of local families, stipulation was he had to billet and it could not be a Flames player.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Really? They have the very similar eyes and nose then. I even looked at Glenny's roster pic on the Flames site and it looks like him.

If it was Glenny he would be at the back of the plane snoozing away.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It would be awesome if they billeted Monahan with Craig conroy... Couldn't think of a better guy to look out for and mentor the kid not just on this team but in the whole league. Might not happen but it would be a great fit. They could spend their free time practicing face offs. Lol

Agreed, but isn't Conroy based primarily out of Abbotsford these days? It'd be tough to mentor someone when you're out of town all the time, and would defeat the purpose of having him there to begin with.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Agreed, but isn't Conroy based primarily out of Abbotsford these days? It'd be tough to mentor someone when you're out of town all the time, and would defeat the purpose of having him there to begin with.

Sounded like the Billet options were not from the Flames organziation.

Kinda like a WHL scenario.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

We'd better be moving out of the rebuild window in the next three years and competing for a playoff spot.

None of this 7 year Oiler BS

I think this year and next year are sacrificial years of the rebuild but I think it would be fair to expect that year three the team at least becomes a team in the mix for 8th spot. By then a lot of the teams in this conference like the Sharks, Coyotes, and Canucks will be dealing with rosters past their prime and don't discount how much regression will be seen in some of those teams when the Sedins, Marleau, Thornton, Boyle, Doan's of the conference are no longer difference makers for their teams. There should be some shuffling of the deck and it's up to the Flames to be able to get their foot in that door.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think this year and next year are sacrificial years of the rebuild but I think it would be fair to expect that year three the team at least becomes a team in the mix for 8th spot. By then a lot of the teams in this conference like the Sharks, Coyotes, and Canucks will be dealing with rosters past their prime and don't discount how much regression will be seen in some of those teams when the Sedins, Marleau, Thornton, Boyle, Doan's of the conference are no longer difference makers for their teams. There should be some shuffling of the deck and it's up to the Flames to be able to get their foot in that door.

Completely agree - this year and next should be managed as rebuild years because that is what they'll be.

2015 - 16 is the year that the 94 birthdays turn 21. The team should be competitive by then (not yet cup contenders or anything, but trending) and we should know by then whether this group has the foundations of a core within it.

I also agree that the division should pretty much turn upside down by then. SJ and Vancouver will be in tough and Calgary and Edmonton (I know) will be improving.

[mac_82]

Originally Posted by flambers

Sounded like the Billet options were not from the Flames organziation.

Kinda like a WHL scenario.

I thought one Herald article said it was a Flames alumni...

[Drury18]

You are correct:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...770/story.html

The team had been insistent on one condition — that Monahan be billeted. So he’s out of Jiri Hudler’s house and into the digs of one of the Flames alumni.

If I had to bet, I would guess Gelinas since he took in Reinhart and Hanowski after the flood and has taken in a few others before.

[Ashasx]

Ryan Pinder said Warrener was being interviewed by Ken King. Or perhaps he was joking.

Monahan would have severe depression living with Warrener.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Drury18

You are correct:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...770/story.html



If I had to bet, I would guess Gelinas since he took in Reinhart and Hanowski after the flood and has taken in a few others before.

Maybe it's Joel Otto to work on face-offs after dinner.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Ryan Pinder said Warrener was being interviewed by Ken King. Or perhaps he was joking.

Monahan would have severe depression living with Warrener.

It was a joke, the bit was pretty funny.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Completely agree - this year and next should be managed as rebuild years because that is what they'll be.

2015 - 16 is the year that the 94 birthdays turn 21. The team should be competitive by then (not yet cup contenders or anything, but trending) and we should know by then whether this group has the foundations of a core within it.

I also agree that the division should pretty much turn upside down by then. SJ and Vancouver will be in tough and Calgary and Edmonton (I know) will be improving.

I agree with Vancouver, but I still see SJ as being very strong by then. They still have Couture, Vlasic, Pavelski, Burns, Hertl, Niemi, and Mueller on the way. The Sharks have damn good management.