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View Poll Results: Should Jay Feaster be fired?
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Yes he's the head of the hockey department
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No one of his reports are in charge of details like this
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No the offers sheet wasn't effective so no loss to the team
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03-01-2013, 12:04 PM
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#221
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zuma
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
Yeah... the Avs should learn their lesson, wait a few days next time.
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Why would it matter to the Avs?
They either wait and match or wait and don't match and still gain the picks. This news wouldn't really affect Colorado's decision
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03-01-2013, 12:04 PM
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#222
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Lifetime Suspension
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Rock Solid Plan B: Punch ourselves in the dick
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03-01-2013, 12:05 PM
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#223
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Originally Posted by MissTeeks
Spector's Hockey @SpectorsHockey
Sounds like nobody (Flames, Avs, NHL, O'Reilly's agent, other GMs) were aware he would've had to pass thru waivers if Avs didn't match.
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I was just thinking that ROR should consider firing his agent for also being inept. He could have taken offer sheets off the table by not keeping his client informed. Luckily for him NHL GM's don't seem much brighter.
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03-01-2013, 12:05 PM
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#224
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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I want a GM who exploits little known technicalities in the CBA, not one who suffers as a result of them.
Is that too much to ask?
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03-01-2013, 12:05 PM
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#225
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First Line Centre
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Weisbrod for GM
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03-01-2013, 12:05 PM
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#226
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Cool Ville
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez
Why would it matter to the Avs?
They either wait and match or wait and don't match and still gain the picks. This news wouldn't really affect Colorado's decision
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Would'nt the avs have first claim?
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03-01-2013, 12:05 PM
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#227
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Well, since Daly came out and said this, they should really sue the NHL to see if they can force the Avs to put O'Reilly on re-entry waivers. They can probably argue it's ambiguous whether O'Reilly's the Av's RFA after he signed the offer sheet with the Flames.
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Re-entry waivers were eliminated in the new CBA.
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03-01-2013, 12:06 PM
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#228
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Yamer
Think I'll wait for a statement from the Flames and their management.
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03-01-2013, 12:06 PM
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#229
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zuma
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Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED
Would'nt the avs have first claim?
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I think it would be the team with the worst record, no?
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03-01-2013, 12:06 PM
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#230
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NOT a cool kid
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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Fire Daly!
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03-01-2013, 12:06 PM
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#231
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Not Jim Playfair
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by FlameZilla
Weisbrod for GM
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This guy was also in the room that just made this idiotic move.
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CORNELL
National Champions: 1967, 1970
CALGARY
Stanley Cup Champions: 1989
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03-01-2013, 12:07 PM
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#232
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
The matched quickly so that O'Reilly can be traded next year by the deadline if they so choose.
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Do you think his trade value, considering his contract, would be much better than the Flames 1 & 3?
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03-01-2013, 12:07 PM
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#233
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Lifetime Suspension
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So other teams are as dumb as us excuse is not going to fly?
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03-01-2013, 12:07 PM
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#234
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Powerplay Quarterback
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He will be gone. Why? People want blood now.
Will give you a real life example.
I work in a business that runs data centers which service customers.A few years back we had a couple really good guys go into a DC and pull a couple of cables they didn't think were live. But they were, and caused an outage to customers.
Our VP tried to keep them but our customers wanted blood. In the end they were walked out the door as tangible evidence we were correcting the problem.
Feaster just hung himself big time, the backlash is going to be huge. Blood will need to be shed on this one, bank on it.
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03-01-2013, 12:07 PM
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#235
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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He would've been a blue jacket.
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03-01-2013, 12:07 PM
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#236
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Originally Posted by FlameZilla
Weisbrod for GM
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Astronomically likely when the time comes.
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03-01-2013, 12:07 PM
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#237
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Not Jim Playfair
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
The matched quickly so that O'Reilly can be traded next year by the deadline if they so choose.
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And to get him in the lineup ASAP. I have heard the trade deadline is going to be late February next year.
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National Champions: 1967, 1970
CALGARY
Stanley Cup Champions: 1989
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03-01-2013, 12:07 PM
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#238
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Dogbert
The rule is that a team may sign any player on its reserve list and RFA list without putting him through waivers. O'Reilly was on the Avs' reserve list, not ours. A player doesn't get added to a team's reserve list until they own his rights, and the Flames wouldn't have owned his rights until the Avs gave them up.
Therefore, the Avs can sign the contract with O'Reilly and not waive him, whereas the Flames would've had to do so in order for him to play this season. Simple matter.
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That's not what the CBA says:
Quote:
13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outsideNorth America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his
Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs)
only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the
Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or
Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim."
"All Players on a Club’s Reserve List and Restricted Free Agent List will be exempt from the
application of CBA 13.23 Waivers in the case of a mid-season signing.
For further clarity, if Club A trades such a Player to Club B and Club B signs the Player to an SPC,
such Player will be exempt from the application of CBA 13.23."
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The quote specifically says "on the Restricted Free Agency list". It does not say formlerly on the RFA list. O'Reilly has signed an offer sheet with the Avs. By the interpreation they're giving, he's no more on their RFA list than he would have been on ours.
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03-01-2013, 12:08 PM
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#239
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Franchise Player
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Avs could have got something else out of the Flames if they waited...They would have traded him from their RFA list. Better than letting him go to the Jackets
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03-01-2013, 12:08 PM
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#240
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Caged Great
He would've been a blue jacket.
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No, he would've been an Avalanche. They would have first dibs on the player they lost.
Just like if the Flames choose/chose to send McDonald down to Abby, the Wings would have first dibs.
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