Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If Carney was the PC candidate he'd likely have my vote too. Canada needs an adult in room more than anything right now. hes that one guy.

Sadly the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada is dead, long dead and the grave has been pissed on.

[sarge]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Oh yeah, Rick Bells always been a blow hard but I didn't find his question inflammatory outside of it coming out of Rick Bells mouth. I just think the way Carney navigated it reeked of "Typical Liberal attitude towards Alberta" and it didn't do him any favors.

Hey, has creepy PP got that security clearance yet?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sadly the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada is dead, long dead and the grave has been pissed on.

And for me, that's when my interest in ever voting conservative again died as well. The current party is simply too far right wing now for me to ever support. These aren't the PC's and haven't been for a long time, despite large C conservatives desperately trying to convince us otherwise.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by sarge

Hey, has creepy PP got that security clearance yet?

according to Tom Mulclaire , opposition leaders do not need this security clearance and it's on the PM to apparently share critical information with other party leaders.

He went so far to say this security issue thing is a red herring.

I don't know enough about it to have a concrete opinion on it outside of the fact it seems pretty important have security clearance so you're getting information first hand on the fly instead of forming any opinion or decision based on delayed information.

I guess once you become PM you don't need to go through the vetting to get security clearance and I think PP was banking on that.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I try to be objective. I'm not PC by any stretch. Carney's got my vote, but it does help to try and see from as many perspectives as possible.

If Carney was the PC candidate he'd likely have my vote too. Canada needs an adult in room more than anything right now. hes that one guy.

I think that's the case for a lot of people.
Because it would mean 2 things:
1) The CPC (Not the PC's, there is nothing progressive about them anymore) likely wouldn't be running on a platform that included a bunch of regressive policy that is aimed at harming vulnerable people

2) The CPC is being run by a competent leader who can bring more to the table than 20 years experience being an attack dog who doesn't need to discuss policy as long as he has a pithy 3 word rhyme he can throw at the other side of the aisle

Unfortunately, neither of those is true for the CPC.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by indes

Anything less than a ceremonial blood oath to get a pipeline built to the east coast will be seen as anti O&G by Albertans. Even then, they would probably get upset about the color of his tie and say it doesn't count.

We've seen this in action. The Liberals bought and built a pipeline that was never going to be finished in the private sector. Canadian oil production is at record highs. Yet, we still hear that the Liberals want to make the oilsands stranded assets, shut down the industry, and other similar measures. It's not worth trying to discuss this with people who are entrenched in their positions.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I personally don't think its a problem, Im just saying that if he wanted to win a couple of votes out of Alberta he could have done better. I thought my first post covered why it'll be used by the opposing groups as I described.

I also said it likely doesn't matter as he will have a majority well before vote counts begin in the west.

How?

[sarge]

Originally Posted by dammage79

according to Tom Mulclaire , opposition leaders do not need this security clearance and it's on the PM to apparently share critical information with other party leaders.

He went so far to say this security issue thing is a red herring.

I don't know enough about it to have a concrete opinion on it outside of the fact it seems pretty important have security clearance so you're getting information first hand on the fly instead of forming any opinion or decision based on delayed information.

I guess once you become PM you don't need to go through the vetting to get security clearance and I think PP was banking on that.

Not gonna happen! Creepy PP and his party, 🍁MAGA are scumbags linked to oil and gas companies that have made record profits from gas price inflation, grocery chains accused of price-gouging, and companies owned by the world’s richest man, Felon Musk. His senior advisor and chief of staff Jenni Byrne has been photographed wearing a MAGA hat. Basically, he is a national security threat with his connections and similar beliefs to MAGA. Also his unbridled negativity and cringey slogans aren’t at all helpful to run our country.

https://youtu.be/WPzLs31fE_8?si=t5ZNlBFtojBdbO89

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Yamer

How?

I don't know. Perhaps being a little empathetic. I really don't know.

[Parallex]

Hmm, Deepak Ohbrai's daughter is running for the LPC in Calgary East...

https://calgaryherald.com/news/natio...inations-close

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't know. Perhaps being a little empathetic. I really don't know.

Seems an odd thing to criticize in the first place then, no?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Slava

We've seen this in action. The Liberals bought and built a pipeline that was never going to be finished in the private sector. Canadian oil production is at record highs. Yet, we still hear that the Liberals want to make the oilsands stranded assets, shut down the industry, and other similar measures. It's not worth trying to discuss this with people who are entrenched in their positions.

That's a very loaded take on what went down. Rewarding the Trudeau government for the buying and building of the TMX pipeline without properly holding to account the reasons why they had to is akin to rewarding an arsonist for putting out a massive fire they started and/or fanned the flames thereof.

To be fair to Carney and why Albertans should be at a minimum willing to listen, is that what he has said thus far in the campaign and leadership campaign has opened the possibility of helping incentivize 'pathways CCS' forward to 'buy' the carbon license that's potentially required to get a new pipeline aligned with the 'national interest.' Reading between the lines there's enough there to see how he could thread the needle nationally to get something like that done. While the CPC unequivocally supports oil and gas investment and new pipeline infrastructure, they could lack the political capital in provinces that won't naturally cooperate. As this very thread illustrates, many Canadians can be swayed to conservative policies, so long as it's not actually conservatives who are implementing them.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Hmm, Deepak Ohbrai's daughter is running for the LPC in Calgary East...

https://calgaryherald.com/news/natio...inations-close

Interesting that she's running for the Liberals when her dad was a staunch Conservative. Maybe she's banking on name recognition.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

That's a very loaded take on what went down. Rewarding the Trudeau government for the buying and building of the TMX pipeline without properly holding to account the reasons why they had to is akin to rewarding an arsonist for putting out a massive fire they started and/or fanned the flames thereof.

To be fair to Carney and why Albertans should be at a minimum willing to listen, is that what he has said thus far in the campaign and leadership campaign has opened the possibility of helping incentivize 'pathways CCS' forward to 'buy' the carbon license that's potentially required to get a new pipeline aligned with the 'national interest.' Reading between the lines there's enough there to see how he could thread the needle nationally to get something like that done. While the CPC unequivocally supports oil and gas investment and new pipeline infrastructure, they could lack the political capital in provinces that won't naturally cooperate. As this very thread illustrates, many Canadians can be swayed to conservative policies, so long as it's not actually conservatives who are implementing them.

It's really not though. The bottom line is that the pipeline was about to be abandoned because of the process of building it. Despite people thinking otherwise (one of which is Poilievre with his latest announcement that he'll just greenlight all of these projects), there are consultations with stakeholders and such that have to be considered. And a lot of those pre-date the Liberals, which is why there were about 200 conditions on the approval of Northern Gateway under the CPC and PM Harper.

But at the end of the day, the point is, you have to do some mental gymnastics to see that a government that spent gobs of money buying and building this, leading to them finally being able to collect these tolls and they're about to shutdown the industry? It's just non-sensical.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

That's a very loaded take on what went down. Rewarding the Trudeau government for the buying and building of the TMX pipeline without properly holding to account the reasons why they had to is akin to rewarding an arsonist for putting out a massive fire they started and/or fanned the flames thereof.

To be fair to Carney and why Albertans should be at a minimum willing to listen, is that what he has said thus far in the campaign and leadership campaign has opened the possibility of helping incentivize 'pathways CCS' forward to 'buy' the carbon license that's potentially required to get a new pipeline aligned with the 'national interest.' Reading between the lines there's enough there to see how he could thread the needle nationally to get something like that done. While the CPC unequivocally supports oil and gas investment and new pipeline infrastructure, they could lack the political capital in provinces that won't naturally cooperate. As this very thread illustrates, many Canadians can be swayed to conservative policies, so long as it's not actually conservatives who are implementing them.

Canadians aren't voting for the CPC because they don't see them as a traditional Conservative party. If they were actual Conservatives, they'd get the votes they need. As many of us have said, we'd vote for a Conservative party given the chance.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

That's a very loaded take on what went down. Rewarding the Trudeau government for the buying and building of the TMX pipeline without properly holding to account the reasons why they had to is akin to rewarding an arsonist for putting out a massive fire they started and/or fanned the flames thereof.

To be fair to Carney and why Albertans should be at a minimum willing to listen, is that what he has said thus far in the campaign and leadership campaign has opened the possibility of helping incentivize 'pathways CCS' forward to 'buy' the carbon license that's potentially required to get a new pipeline aligned with the 'national interest.' Reading between the lines there's enough there to see how he could thread the needle nationally to get something like that done. While the CPC unequivocally supports oil and gas investment and new pipeline infrastructure, they could lack the political capital in provinces that won't naturally cooperate. As this very thread illustrates, many Canadians can be swayed to conservative policies, so long as it's not actually conservatives who are implementing them.

Why don't you explain those reasons?

May 29, 2016: The NEB recommends approval of the pipeline, subject to 157 conditions, concluding that it is in the public interest.

Nov. 29, 2016: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announces his cabinet has approved the Trans Mountain project, subject to 157 conditions aimed at addressing potential Indigenous, socio-economic and environmental impacts. The Trudeau government also approves Enbridge’s Line 3 project, but rejects the Enbridge-backed Northern Gateway project.

May 25, 2017: Kinder Morgan announces its final investment decision, saying it will proceed with the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion as long as it secures satisfactory financing for the project through its initial public offering.

So where did Trudeau kill this pipeline? What fire did they start? They approved the thing, 6 months later the company announced they would build the thing. He didn't make any changes to the NEB until after the KM announcement so it was still operating under the conditions of the previous government.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

That's a very loaded take on what went down. Rewarding the Trudeau government for the buying and building of the TMX pipeline without properly holding to account the reasons why they had to is akin to rewarding an arsonist for putting out a massive fire they started and/or fanned the flames thereof.

To be fair to Carney and why Albertans should be at a minimum willing to listen, is that what he has said thus far in the campaign and leadership campaign has opened the possibility of helping incentivize 'pathways CCS' forward to 'buy' the carbon license that's potentially required to get a new pipeline aligned with the 'national interest.' Reading between the lines there's enough there to see how he could thread the needle nationally to get something like that done. While the CPC unequivocally supports oil and gas investment and new pipeline infrastructure, they could lack the political capital in provinces that won't naturally cooperate. As this very thread illustrates, many Canadians can be swayed to conservative policies, so long as it's not actually conservatives who are implementing them.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Canadians aren't voting for the CPC because they don't see them as a traditional Conservative party. If they were actual Conservatives, they'd get the votes they need. As many of us have said, we'd vote for a Conservative party given the chance.

I can guarantee that if the Liberals or NDP started crafting policies around "woke obsessions" I would be pretty quick off the boat.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The CBC
Globe & Mail
The Guardian
The BBC
Reuters

The Economist and the Atlantic typically do more in-depth analysis than the others, so I reference them the most.

Where do you source your news and public affairs?

Also, the reason I cited the Economist to the person is question is that someone on the right isn’t likely going to give much credence to content published by the Guardian or CBC, will they? Just as I expect you don’t give much credence to the Economist. The point of the anecdote was that while moderate conservatives of a decade ago would regarded the Economist as credible, the swivel-eyed populists of 2025 see it as just another organ of sinister elite institutions.

No, I was more bringing it up because I've seen you refer to The Economist and Atlantic in many posts.

I don't really have a problem with either outfit and The Atlantic in particular has done a pretty good job lately of highlighting the rising tide of fascism.

Neither of them really strays much from a neoliberal viewpoint, which limits some of their analysis and reporting, but that goes for most corporate media.

[MrButtons]

On the TMX purchase front, I also think we forget how politically insane it was for Trudeau and the Liberals. Alberta didn't like it cause we hate everything they do, and out East they hated it because it went against the Climate promises they campaigned on. They did what we should want all politicians and parties to do in any situation, do what's best for the Country even if that is political suicide. The Libs lost votes across the board for it.

[Johnny Makarov]

Watched this last night. PP is pathetic and the Cons super limit his questions and who asks them. Also from day one no reporter is allowed to ask follow up questions. This is to protect the RW moron from spewing more of his attacking verbal diarrhea. hahaha Good choice Cons! How can anyone even consider voting for him unless you are an uneducated deplorable?

Dig your effing graves election after election. The LOST Liberal 3 Decades!!

At a news conference in Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., on Wednesday, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre ignored a CTV reporter's question about his refusal to get a security clearance, instead dismissing her as "just a protester."

The reporter had shouted the question out of turn, as she was not one of the four journalists who had been chosen by the campaign to pose a question that day.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pie...cess-1.7506045