Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The moronic part is Pierre being all chuffed he filled a room in Alberta.

Exactly!
Hell the Oilers get more people than he does, 41 times a year, and they are totally No Good.

It's not that tough in Alberta to get 15-20,000 people to fill a room as long as they are going to see someone in blue, regardless of how deplorable or no good they are.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Bigly yuuuge crowds. A lot of people are saying these are the biggest crowds theyve ever seen. Can you believe it? They are all saying it. Big men with tears in their eyes coming up to me and saying it.

Also did you see my big yuge drop in polls? It's an all time epic!!

[dammage79]

Just watched Carney's CGY presser.

He was fine until Rick Bells 2 part question where he just resorted to the preplanned baseline answers.

It's was an easy point lost for him as he didn't even come close to being on point to answering the specific question. He just blanket statements it with his main energy growth talking point.

I suspect his flittering of that one specific question will embolden Smith, pp and the Cons or nothing voter to really hammer on the Trudeau 2.0 schtick.

I always knew he wasn't going to win hearts and minds in AB, that was already decided well before Carney became PM. He just did a reaffirmation of that decision.

End of the day though, I don't see vote counts matter west of Manitoba so as long as he keeps on message that'll win him Ontario and QC and the Maritimes, the western vote won't matter.

[puffnstuff]

What was the question?

And a two part q? He speaks like he writes?

Was there more than 4 questions (no two parters allowed)?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

What was the question?

And a two part q? He speaks like he writes?

Was there more than 4 questions (no two parters allowed)?

He asked for a detailed response to Smith list of 9 items that Alberta needs an answer to. And then the 2nd part was asking about fast tracking pipelines coast to coast.

[Muta]

If you venture to the Calgary Herald website (god forbid), Rick Bell has been on an absolute crusade lately to dismiss, smear and take down Carney. Even if Carney answered those correctly in Rick's eyes, 'The Dinger' would find a way to still attack them.

[dammage79]

Oh yeah, Rick Bells always been a blow hard but I didn't find his question inflammatory outside of it coming out of Rick Bells mouth. I just think the way Carney navigated it reeked of "Typical Liberal attitude towards Alberta" and it didn't do him any favors.

[puffnstuff]

The demand letter. Do these things in 6 months or there will be an 'unprecedented national unity crisis'.

[woob]

I mean, I'm not sure how he's supposed to respond to a question about that garbage list of demands Smith put out. To that question, I think a canned response is warranted.

But on coast to coast pipelines, or pipeline policy in general, I think the more informative and/or thoughtful answers he can give, the better.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The CBC
Globe & Mail
The Guardian
The BBC
Reuters

The Economist and the Atlantic typically do more in-depth analysis than the others, so I reference them the most.

Where do you source your news and public affairs?

Also, the reason I cited the Economist to the person is question is that someone on the right isn’t likely going to give much credence to content published by the Guardian or CBC, will they? Just as I expect you don’t give much credence to the Economist. The point of the anecdote was that while moderate conservatives of a decade ago would regarded the Economist as credible, the swivel-eyed populists of 2025 see it as just another organ of sinister elite institutions.

I have been meaning to post this. The Ground News ranks articles and news outlets based on their 'leanings,' and they also rate them on a factual basis. It provides an interesting look at how certain things are covered. Very interesting and useful if you are a media consumer. https://ground.news/

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Just watched Carney's CGY presser.

He was fine until Rick Bells 2 part question where he just resorted to the preplanned baseline answers.

It's was an easy point lost for him as he didn't even come close to being on point to answering the specific question. He just blanket statements it with his main energy growth talking point.

I suspect his flittering of that one specific question will embolden Smith, pp and the Cons or nothing voter to really hammer on the Trudeau 2.0 schtick.

I always knew he wasn't going to win hearts and minds in AB, that was already decided well before Carney became PM. He just did a reaffirmation of that decision.

End of the day though, I don't see vote counts matter west of Manitoba so as long as he keeps on message that'll win him Ontario and QC and the Maritimes, the western vote won't matter.

Originally Posted by dammage79

He asked for a detailed response to Smith list of 9 items that Alberta needs an answer to. And then the 2nd part was asking about fast tracking pipelines coast to coast.

I just watched his answer and I'm curious why you think it's a problem.

To the first part, he said that he's not interested in writing letters back and forth and that his focus is to get things done.

To the second part, he said that he will work with provincial, industry, and indigenous leaders to focus on and fast track pipelines and energy programs that are in the national interest. He also explained that the process will need to involve and have the consent of all these major players as it will stretch across provincial borders and territorial land.

He finished with a call to action for unity to get these projects done and move forward as a country.

He didn't bite on Bell's "guaranteed commitment" quip as it's just as simple minded a request as Bell and Smith are as people.

Starts at 46:53 for anyone interested (playback disabled on external sites): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnJZu8-Ry2Y

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by woob

I mean, I'm not sure how he's supposed to respond to a question about that garbage list of demands Smith put out. To that question, I think a canned response is warranted.

But on coast-to-coast pipelines, or pipeline policy in general, I think the more informative and/or thoughtful answers he can give, the better.

Agreed. And to the other points, is he even campaigning for Alberta votes? Or is he here to appear as a national leader, but every comment is aimed back at Ontario and Quebec? If he wanted the West vote, he would commit hell or high water to getting the pipeline built as a matter of national security and to hell with any objectors, a la King Pumpkin and his coal mines. That would not play well where it matters, Ont. and Que., so he does not do it. He will have a majority before the Manitoba polls close.

[Titan2]

Having actually watched it... His answer to the question is awesome. "Projects are a priority. He put in a process and got an agreement with the provinces to enact it in the first three weeks."

Why would he address each of the nine points? That is silly. "When we come together, we will move forward."

This was a great answer. She is writing letters and he is taking action to get things done.

I don't see a better answer. People looking to find fault may have a problem. I sure don't. Every time I see him speak, I think better of him.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Starts at 46:53 for anyone interested (playback disabled on external sites): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnJZu8-Ry2Y

Thanks for the link. Having listened now to the answers in question, I think they're fine.

[Titan2]

So, my riding's liberal candidate is Gul Khan. Wanting to learn a bit more about him I googled and one of the first results was this website: https://www.voteprolife.ca/find/view...name/gul-khan/

Pretty much solidifies my vote.

Tom Kmiec's profile: https://www.voteprolife.ca/find/view...name/tom-kmiec

"Rating Comments: In June 2021, this MP rightly voted in favour of pro-life Bill C-233, introduced by Conservative MP Cathay Wagantall, to outlaw the horrific practice of sex-selective abortion, in which unborn babies are killed for no other reason than their sex.

Also in June 2021, this principled MP voted against Justin Trudeau’s parental prosecution bill, C-6, which seeks to put parents in jail up to 5 years if they dare to affirm their gender-confused child in their biological sex.

Tom has a perfect pro-life & pro-family voting record during his career as an MP.

First elected (yyyy.mm.dd): Oct-15
Percentage in last election: 60.37% (2021) ; 75.01% (2019) ; 66% (2015)
Victory margin last election: 43.92% (2021) ; 63.95% (2019) ; 41% (2015)
Religion / Faith: Evangelical Christian"

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I just watched his answer and I'm curious why you think it's a problem.

To the first part, he said that he's not interested in writing letters back and forth and that his focus is to get things done.

To the second part, he said that he will work with provincial, industry, and indigenous leaders to focus on and fast track pipelines and energy programs that are in the national interest. He also explained that the process will need to involve and have the consent of all these major players as it will stretch across provincial borders and territorial land.

He finished with a call to action for unity to get these projects done and move forward as a country.

He didn't bite on Bell's "guaranteed commitment" quip as it's just as simple minded a request as Bell and Smith are as people.

Starts at 46:53 for anyone interested (playback disabled on external sites): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnJZu8-Ry2Y

I personally don't think its a problem, Im just saying that if he wanted to win a couple of votes out of Alberta he could have done better. I thought my first post covered why it'll be used by the opposing groups as I described.

I also said it likely doesn't matter as he will have a majority well before vote counts begin in the west.

[Parallex]

I thought that was a perfectly fine answer. It was "here's what it needs, here's what I've already done, here's what I'm going to do".

[Torture]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Just watched Carney's CGY presser.

He was fine until Rick Bells 2 part question where he just resorted to the preplanned baseline answers.

It's was an easy point lost for him as he didn't even come close to being on point to answering the specific question. He just blanket statements it with his main energy growth talking point.

I suspect his flittering of that one specific question will embolden Smith, pp and the Cons or nothing voter to really hammer on the Trudeau 2.0 schtick.

I always knew he wasn't going to win hearts and minds in AB, that was already decided well before Carney became PM. He just did a reaffirmation of that decision.

End of the day though, I don't see vote counts matter west of Manitoba so as long as he keeps on message that'll win him Ontario and QC and the Maritimes, the western vote won't matter.

Lol, you're clearly viewing Carney's answers through a blue filter if you thought that was a non-answer. He provided specific things he's done already and that he will do to get major energy projects built and streamline approvals.

[indes]

Anything less than a ceremonial blood oath to get a pipeline built to the east coast will be seen as anti O&G by Albertans. Even then, they would probably get upset about the color of his tie and say it doesn't count.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Torture

Lol, you're clearly viewing Carney's answers through a blue filter if you thought that was a non-answer. He provided specific things he's done already and that he will do to get major energy projects built and streamline approvals.

I try to be objective. I'm not PC by any stretch. Carney's got my vote, but it does help to try and see from as many perspectives as possible.

If Carney was the PC candidate he'd likely have my vote too. Canada needs an adult in room more than anything right now. hes that one guy.