2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I wonder if the number of assets Fitz gave up for Timo is starting to weigh on his decision making.

They don't win last night with Brodeur in net.

Marky has been good this year but he hasn't been subjected to Luke Hughes trying to score on him every game.

The Devils goalies have been god awful this year, but that's not the only issue. The PP is dogsh*t, the team can't score and the D are serving up double pepperoni pizzas 2 for 1 styles.

Trading for a goalie and still missing the playoffs would be a firable offense.

I say punt and see what you can do at the draft.

This would free up Conroy to deal with the UFAs.

That Meier contract is really jamming them up

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

They don't win last night with Brodeur in net.

A big save can change a game completely, and quite frankly NHL goaltenders need to make more than a handful each game. While you can't fault Daws completely for any of those goals, you should still expect a save (or three) when your team needs it. We saw it last year and the effect that shotty goaltending can have on a team in front of them.

Scoring chances 38-21 for NJ
High danger looks were 15-6 for NJ.

[memphusk]

They need a coach also.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Markstrom is on a heater right now, we all know well what a good goaltender in the playoffs can do. Feel like New Jersey is dropping the ball big time, when was the last time a Vezina caliber goaltender was traded at the deadline?

[dammage79]

Just make the damned trades!!!!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I wonder if the number of assets Fitz gave up for Timo is starting to weigh on his decision making.

They don't win last night with Brodeur in net.

Marky has been good this year but he hasn't been subjected to Luke Hughes trying to score on him every game.

The Devils goalies have been god awful this year, but that's not the only issue. The PP is dogsh*t, the team can't score and the D are serving up double pepperoni pizzas 2 for 1 styles.

Trading for a goalie and still missing the playoffs would be a firable offense.

I say punt and see what you can do at the draft.

This would free up Conroy to deal with the UFAs.

I think that's where that analysis by Kevin Woodley is interesting though.

Markstrom actually is good at high danger and close in chances, and the Flames defense has been similarly leaky this season, and he's kept them afloat.

I think that's actually where that insight where the Devils organization has Markstrom as their preferred target comes from.

Even if they have other targets, none of them fit what they need and the style of goaltender they need as well as Markstrom does.

Personally if I'm the Devil's I'm not pushing for 50% retention, and am asking for 25% retention because I don't think the acquisition cost of going from Markstrom at $4.5M to Markstrom at $3.0M is going to be worth it.

I'm trying to push to have Vanecek included, and I'm trying to keep Casey out of the deal.

Markstrom (25% retention)

for

Mercer
2024 1st (with conditions)
Vanecek

If I'm the Devils that's an offer I would easily make, and if I'm the Flames I'd accept that offer still. Devils pushing for 50% retention is stupid IMO, because of course the Flames are going to put a premium on eating $6M over two more seasons.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Just make the damned trades!!!!

Getting there. Deadline is 2 weeks from today!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

A big save can change a game completely, and quite frankly NHL goaltenders need to make more than a handful each game. While you can't fault Daws completely for any of those goals, you should still expect a save (or three) when your team needs it. We saw it last year and the effect that shotty goaltending can have on a team in front of them.

Scoring chances 38-21 for NJ
High danger looks were 15-6 for NJ.

And still lost?

Rarely can you say a single player would turn a team around but JM would turn that team around.

Fitz is an idiot if the fuss is over Mercer vs Holtz or retention. They need a goalie, stat. Just do what you have to do and bite the bullet. The season could be down the drain by the end of the weekend.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

There wss a guy named Kevin Woodley from In Goal magazine on Edmonton sports radio yesterday and he was really bullish on New Jersey making a move for Markstrom. Noted that for a team with the Devils defensive metrics that he could really turn things around for them. Gregor asked him about Saros instead, and this guy said no, they need to get Markstrom.

He also crapped on Gregors idea that Jack Campbell was as good as Jake Allen. He kind of squashed a lot of Gregors homeristic takes...he's probably going to be taken off the guest list. FWIW this guy did say he thought Wolf would become a good goaltender, but right now Markstrom is the only guy in the league who can mask the Flames defensive short comings.

I hear to Woodley on Vancouver sportsnet radio pretty often and he's a smart goalie guy. Total goalie geek, I like his study of the position.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by memphusk

They need a coach also.

Damn, that's a little ruff.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Just make the damned trades!!!!

Each day passed leads to a higher likelihood of a trade tomorrow.

-today's good word

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I hear to Woodley on Vancouver sportsnet radio pretty often and he's a smart goalie guy. Total goalie geek, I like his study of the position.

Woodley is awesome. Great follow on twitter.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I wonder once all the dust settles on the pending trades, especially Tanev/Hanifin, if the flames look at Ty Smith in Pittsburgh who is reportedly very frustrated with the lack of opportunity he’s had since the Marino trade swap with the Devils. He looked like he was putting up respectable numbers for a young D prior to the trade and he hasn’t had much success cracking the Pens big club lineup but he hasn’t looked out of place in the Ahl. Something to consider? Sandman what’s your read on Ty Smith?

I was really choked when he was traded to Pittsburgh, and the Flames weren’t in on him. He’s an amazing skater, and was touted as having great character in his draft year, having captained the U-18 team. In junior, he was a great two-way player, and put up over a ppg in his Draft season, but I think he’s struggled with the defensive part of the game in the NHL. I still like him, but he would be more of a throw-in at this point, as he was waived in September with no takers- I think that’s why he’s not getting called up. (I was choked we didn’t pick him up off waivers too)

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

A big save can change a game completely, and quite frankly NHL goaltenders need to make more than a handful each game. While you can't fault Daws completely for any of those goals, you should still expect a save (or three) when your team needs it. We saw it last year and the effect that shotty goaltending can have on a team in front of them.



Scoring chances 38-21 for NJ

High danger looks were 15-6 for NJ.

Igor was much better than Daws.

If Marky stops three, they still lose. (Yes, I agree the game dynamic would be different, but it's a hypothetical.)

Would be really nice to know why the deal fell apart.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Just make the damned trades!!!!

I hear that….getting my hopes up everytime I open these threads just to see mock trades or other chit chat = pain

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I hear that….getting my hopes up everytime I open these threads just to see mock trades or other chit chat = pain

Enjoy it, in 2 weeks we are likely to be cheering for loses

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But they could still wait until the summer. Markstrom isn't the only stud goalie that could be had. Hamilton is hurt, they are 5 points behind Tampa and 7 back of the Flyers and if they can make a good trade sure, but some are suggesting the Flames hose them in the deal.

Remember Markstrom's play against the Oilers and all last year too?? He's 35 next year too

Ok, tell me the other stud goalies that could be had. I covered that in a prior post, none of them are coming cheaper. Hill for Vegas was pure luck, if the Devils want to bank in that they might as well keep Vanacek.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I was really choked when he was traded to Pittsburgh, and the Flames weren’t in on him. He’s an amazing skater, and was touted as having great character in his draft year, having captained the U-18 team. In junior, he was a great two-way player, and put up over a ppg in his Draft season, but I think he’s struggled with the defensive part of the game in the NHL. I still like him, but he would be more of a throw-in at this point, as he was waived in September with no takers- I think that’s why he’s not getting called up. (I was choked we didn’t pick him up off waivers too)

Especially with Huska’s track record and the age Smith is to me it seems like a natural fit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Duehr for Smith type trade but I’m not sure how waivers would work after a trade, would he have to clear waivers for callup? Could the flames keep him in the AHL to help with a run and then work on seeing how he fits next camp?

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Enjoy it, in 2 weeks we are likely to be cheering for loses

Yup, these next 2 weeks will see our last major roster changes for months.

The trade silence will be deafening

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Igor was much better than Daws.

If Marky stops three, they still lose. (Yes, I agree the game dynamic would be different, but it's a hypothetical.)

Would be really nice to know why the deal fell apart.

This is purely speculation by me...but if I have to guess...Flames were comfortable with some retention for the agreed upon deal (up to 25%)...Devils pushed for 50% retention...so the Flames asked for another piece (rumored to be Casey) and the deal fell apart.

Which to me would have been very short sighted by the Devils. Markstrom at $4.5M would already be good value for a starting goalie, if you want to get him for $3M you're going to have to overpay.

And IMO it would be a but foolish to really push for that because you're already probably overpaying a bit to start with when you consider the Flames don't really have much pressure to move him to start with, and have absolutely no pressure to move him with retention.