2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Maybe Nashville hasn't really shopped Saros and he tells them he doesn't want to re-sign after all and he is available for a cheaper cost. One of the Boston goalies could become available. It could also be as simple as the Flames and Devils will never agree to a trade with significant retention and the offseason gets them there without needing it.

Plus, there is always goalies that could end up being a fit for the devils in the summer. Adin Hill was traded for a 4th I think, he won a cup and has been unreal this year. Some Flames fans think Vladar is worth a 2nd, maybe the devils go after him for cheap?

The Devils need a goalie, but I doubt they empty the cupboards to get Markstrom. If Mercer or Holtz are in the deal, I doubt we add guys like Casey and 1st rounders too.

Losing Mercer would actually put a huge dint in the depth at forward the devils have since they lost Mcleod too. Can they really afford to trade him?

[atb]

What’s crazy is how Fitz is willing to throw in the towel on this season when they would probably be in a playoff spot if they had made this trade earlier this year. Sure they might have more options and flexibility in the off season, but what a waste of a year while you still have guys on their ELC.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And Conroy isn't going to just drop the price for the Devils in the summer.

Why not? If the disagreement is about the price of retention, and no retention is needed, the price will drop...?

Unless Conroy says FU for not agreeing to our price for retention, now the price goes up, in which case NJ packs their bags and look elsewhere.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is no scenario here where NJ waits it out and gets a legit workhorse #1 goalie for cheap.

Conversely, the cost of Markstrom isn't going to go up in the summer. They could get Markstrom for framework that was agreed upon before retention made the deal fall apart. Holtz + for Markstrom with no retention.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I agree, but we are all looking at it from the Flames perspective.

The Devils would rather give up a 2nd, maybe they want both goalies for this year? Vanecek out played Markstrom last year and $7.9 mil on 2 goalies is not a bad amount to spend.

Mercer for Markstrom is fair, I hope Conroy does better, but the Devils aren't in must win the cup now mode yet is all I'm saying. Why would they pay a ton more? Would we want that as Flames fans in a couple years loaded with stud young players to trade a ton to get a 34-year-old goalie? Probably not.

If the Flames had all their stud young forwards signed longterm, had two top 4 dmen on RFA contracts for two and three playoff runs respectively and had the chance to get a stud goalie to capitalize on this confluence of events and had an excess of talented forwards anyway, yes, I would hope the Flames be smart enough to know that paying Nemec a base salary of 918K for the next 3 playoff runs, Luke Hughes a base salary of 925K for the next two playoff runs that that is a unique circumstance that one should try to capitalize on.

I guess one could always wait until both those dman make 8 million a year and then get a goalie.

[Sylvanfan]

Saros only has one more year at 5, than will be looking for North of 8 and a longer term commitment. So that might not be as attractive to the Devils.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I’d love a haul of assets but I’m really really ok with keeping Marky.

Rebuilding with some hope and fire beats the alternative. Waive Vladar and run with Marky/Wolfy at 60/40 ratio and if things go well for Wolfy next season then switch to 40/60 the following season.

Tanev and Hanifin sweepstakes is enough entertainment. Next year it will be Kuz, Shark and Bread. Plenty to look forward to.

This team is loaded with very good prospects, if we want to build something special, we need 1 or 2 top 5 picks. Hopefully top 3.

But this year is now a write off for that unless we win the lottery. Arizona and Montreal are falling and the bottom 4 are too far down. We are looking at the 7 spot best case scenario so maybe we wait a year? IMO that is too risky and likely means no top 5 pick next year either.

I'd trade Markstrom, and waive Vladar and sign a vet goalie to mentor Wolf for cheap

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Plus, there is always goalies that could end up being a fit for the devils in the summer. Adin Hill was traded for a 4th I think, he won a cup and has been unreal this year. Some Flames fans think Vladar is worth a 2nd, maybe the devils go after him for cheap?

The Devils need a goalie, but I doubt they empty the cupboards to get Markstrom. If Mercer or Holtz are in the deal, I doubt we add guys like Casey and 1st rounders too.

Losing Mercer would actually put a huge dint in the depth at forward the devils have since they lost Mcleod too. Can they really afford to trade him?

Devils have one of the deeper systems in the league. They'd be alright. A game stealing goalie changes the teams fortunes in the blink of an eye.

Mercer was seeing 3rd and 4th line minutes recently and isn't even playing in the middle.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the Flames had all their stud young forwards signed longterm, had two top 4 dmen on RFA contracts for two and three playoff runs respectively and had the chance to get a stud goalie to capitalize on this confluence of events and had an excess of talented forwards anyway, yes, I would hope the Flames be smart enough to know that paying Nemec a base salary of 918K for the next 3 playoff runs, Luke Hughes a base salary of 925K for the next two playoff runs that that is a unique circumstance that one should try to capitalize on.

I guess one could always wait until both those dman make 8 million a year and then get a goalie.

But they could still wait until the summer. Markstrom isn't the only stud goalie that could be had. Hamilton is hurt, they are 5 points behind Tampa and 7 back of the Flyers and if they can make a good trade sure, but some are suggesting the Flames hose them in the deal.

Remember Markstrom's play against the Oilers and all last year too?? He's 35 next year too

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Devils have one of the deeper systems in the league. They'd be alright. A game stealing goalie changes the teams fortunes in the blink of an eye.

Mercer was seeing 3rd and 4th line minutes recently and isn't even playing in the middle.

But we are talking the same markstrom we were running out of town last year? Mercer for Markstrom is a good trade for both teams. Holtz too.

[SuperMatt18]

I personally don't see Nashville shopping Saros TBH...I have a feeling thats all contract posturing because they likely want to re-sign Saros this offseason.

Trotz has always prioritized having a strong goalie tandem at any stop of his NHL career as a coach, doubt he changes that stance as GM.

Also doesn't seem like the type who will want to give the net to Askarov without a veteran to support.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Why not? If the disagreement is about the price of retention, and no retention is needed, the price will drop...?

Unless Conroy says FU for not agreeing to our price for retention, now the price goes up, in which case NJ packs their bags and look elsewhere.

I assume the retention issue is less about cap space this season, and more about the next two years of Markstrom's contract. I don't see that changing if a deal is done in the offseason. Maybe the Flames' price for retention comes down slightly as they're retaining slightly less, but I can't see it being a major factor.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's actually what worries me a bit at this point...because if they haven't bit and met the demands to this point I doubt they ever will. And I really like them as a trade partner even without Casey being part of the deal.

I wonder if the number of assets Fitz gave up for Timo is starting to weigh on his decision making.

They don't win last night with Brodeur in net.

Marky has been good this year but he hasn't been subjected to Luke Hughes trying to score on him every game.

The Devils goalies have been god awful this year, but that's not the only issue. The PP is dogsh*t, the team can't score and the D are serving up double pepperoni pizzas 2 for 1 styles.

Trading for a goalie and still missing the playoffs would be a firable offense.

I say punt and see what you can do at the draft.

This would free up Conroy to deal with the UFAs.

[TheIronMaiden]

SwravelI is a ####.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I assume the retention issue is less about cap space this season, and more about the next two years of Markstrom's contract. I don't see that changing if a deal is done in the offseason. Maybe the Flames' price for retention comes down slightly as they're retaining slightly less, but I can't see it being a major factor.

Yeah but maybe the Devils can find a taker for Haula and Toffoli will be gone. There is a lot more flexibility in the offseason.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Why not? If the disagreement is about the price of retention, and no retention is needed, the price will drop...?

Yeah…. If I bring two items to the till at a store and decide to put one back, the price changes.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I wonder if the number of assets Fitz gave up for Timo is starting to weigh on his decision making.

They don't win last night with Brodeur in net.

Marky has been good this year but he hasn't been subjected to Luke Hughes trying to score on him every game.

The Devils goalies have been god awful this year, but that's not the only issue. The PP is dogsh*t, the team can't score and the D are serving up double pepperoni pizzas 2 for 1 styles.

Trading for a goalie and still missing the playoffs would be a firable offense.

I say punt and see what you can do at the draft.

This would free up Conroy to deal with the UFAs.

Yeah the team isn’t performing… they might be nervous. Every goal last night was a grade A chance.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I wonder if the number of assets Fitz gave up for Timo is starting to weigh on his decision making.

They don't win last night with Brodeur in net.

Marky has been good this year but he hasn't been subjected to Luke Hughes trying to score on him every game.

The Devils goalies have been god awful this year, but that's not the only issue. The PP is dogsh*t, the team can't score and the D are serving up double pepperoni pizzas 2 for 1 styles.

Trading for a goalie and still missing the playoffs would be a firable offense.

I say punt and see what you can do at the draft.

This would free up Conroy to deal with the UFAs.

So you are saying rookie dmen who have high end potential are still rookie dmen making rookie mistakes?

There is a huge difference winning with high end stars on ELC who are forwards than dmen. Tougher position to expect to win the cup or make the playoffs with not just 1 but 2 of them.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I assume the retention issue is less about cap space this season, and more about the next two years of Markstrom's contract. I don't see that changing if a deal is done in the offseason. Maybe the Flames' price for retention comes down slightly as they're retaining slightly less, but I can't see it being a major factor.

This is possible, but my guess is that the sense of urgency to get a deal done now comes from pressure to make the playoffs this season. If that is moot and we go into the summer, I doubt NJ has as much incentive to pay through their nose for a goalie. Teams are always way more optimistic about their chances in June vs. February.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But they could still wait until the summer. Markstrom isn't the only stud goalie that could be had. Hamilton is hurt, they are 5 points behind Tampa and 7 back of the Flyers and if they can make a good trade sure, but some are suggesting the Flames hose them in the deal.

Remember Markstrom's play against the Oilers and all last year too?? He's 35 next year too

Hamilton is expected to be back in April or early May at the latest, which lines up well for an appearance in the playoffs. The playoffs will likely start on April 20th. I remember the play of Markstrom in every other playoff series he has been in outside the Oilers where he was lights out. To me it would be crazy for the Devils to not capitalize on the salary cap window they currently have.