'The Walking Dead- TV show ONLY! Only spoilers allowed are about PAST TV episodes!

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Again, it's just an opinion. No more right or wrong than yours or fans or critics or whoever. Throwing out accusations by saying I'm just making it up, looking for attention is a little silly.

well i could agree with that, except for your stupid little Fonzie remark. you recognize that your opinion is in the minority, almost everyone else here is very happy with the way this season is going. yet you try and point out that somehow the show is jumping the shark. common, if that's not attention whoring then it's just plain trolling

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

well i could agree with that, except for your stupid little Fonzie remark. you recognize that your opinion is in the minority, almost everyone else here is very happy with the way this season is going. yet you try and point out that somehow the show is jumping the shark. common, if that's not attention whoring then it's just plain trolling

I honestly didn't mean for it to come across like that all. You can believe or not believe, that's your call.

And I never said the show was jumping the shark, not close....yet. But if things don't change and Walking Dead is just an action show with zombies, then what was a top show for me, will slowly climb down my personal TV ladder.

The best stuff of this season was the stuff with Lori and how they were forced into that kind of situation. That was great stuff, but that kind of story has not been the norm this season.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

It's an opinion. It differs from yours. No reason to attack the way you are. I'm not trying to be "that guy", I'm not looking for attention. I just don't like the way the season is going.

To me, the show works best when we have moral dillemas to debate, like when Shane had to kill the fat guy to save himself and the rest of the group. Or when Rick had to come to the tough decision to kill Shane. As a viewer, I can relate to those tough decisions. Stuff like that is way more interesting, therefore more entertaining than watching the group plan and execute a rescue mission.

I like action just fine(as you outlined in bringing up my Transformers take in an attempt to try and embarass), but I vastly prefer some(not all) of the storylines and angles in Season One and Two to what we have seen so far in Season Three.

Again, it's just an opinion. No more right or wrong than yours or fans or critics or whoever. Throwing out accusations by saying I'm just making it up, looking for attention is a little silly.

The problem is, I figure, in the zombie apocalypse morality will fall by the wayside as humanity gets eaten up. If a year into the zombie apocalypse you're still alive, it's probably because you didn't hesitate to chop that prisoner's head in half for trying to kill you, or did throw the hobo into to the herd as bait, or shot your own mom in the head after she died. There are still moral issues in the show, they just have to blaze through those decisions now to survive.

[Bertuzzied]

Wow one of the worst episodes of the year.

From the yawnnnnn debut of Tyrese to Andrea's terrible acting, to the most ridiculous gun fight sequence on tv, to Wolverine Shane, to Andrea's terrible acting, to the lame ass governor speech at the end, this show is close to jumping the shark.

Hopefully they pull it out in February.

[AC]

I think the season has been amazing all the way through so far.
I'm not sure I understand the claim that there was nothing to think about after the episode.

Spoiler!

Daryl got captured for one, what happens to him? Especially in regards to being put against or possibly with Merle it looks like.

A new group of members is now in the prison, do they stay?

The moustached prisoner came off as really creepy, what happens with him?

Rick and Michonne had a big stand-off at the end there, what does that mean for their fates?

Andrea seemed to get a clear window into how messed up the Governor really is finally. How does her position and viewpoint change? Will she flip back over to the prison's side now that she knows they're alive still?

And finally, what is the Governor planning to do / capable of doing to get his revenge now? He knows where this other group is, and Michonne just "killed" his daughter. This episode set up his push for revenge against the whole prison it would seem. I think that's very exciting because the inevitable attack should be awesome to watch. The biggest moment to look forward to is clearly going to be the Rick / Governor confrontation, since they haven't had an actual scene together yet.

If you didn't think anything really changed in the episode, I can only believe you went into the episode with a negative attitude towards it and saw what you wanted.

I don't get the "jumping the shark" talk. What did you want to see happen exactly?

[Daradon]

Found the episode good, but not great. I thought there were much better episodes so far this season. Gotta agree with VanFlamesFan, the action didn't make it any better, and like Bertuzzied said, some of it was kinda lame, but I was expecting that anyway because I saw the preview last week. You knew they were going to make a run on Woodbury. So it didn't bug me either. I knew we were up for some stereotypical TV gun battles.

The Michonne/Govener fight was cool though. I thought maybe one of them was going to use a zombie head as a weapon, that would have been cool! Perhaps hard to film or make believable though... As far as the hooks go, you knew Andrea and Michonne were going to meet, and you knew Darryl and Merle were going to meet at the end. Didn't surprise me at all that was the cliffhanger. Had been expecting it to be the mid season cliffhanger since they reintroduced Merle. In front of the town or not, you knew they were setting them up to fight or have some sort of conflict.

As one poster said, the preview of the next half of the season may have ruined the outcome of that though...

Spoiler!

Not that I'd think they'd kill either of them right now anyway. The characters are too popular. You pretty much know Merle has to make his was back to Rick's group.

Episode pretty much went how I thought it would. Not that it's a knock on the show though, they had to advance it through these points.

Again I do agree with Bert that improving some of the small details may have made the episode a lot better. Like the Governors speech, some of the fighting in the gun battle, etc. A few tweaks could have turned it from an average episode to a great one. But I've always like Tarantino dialogue to go with my Tarantino action, so to speak.

On the other hand, I'm not ready to say the show is heading downhill. I think it's just one of those shoot em up episodes they have to throw in every once in a while to keep certain segments happy.

I do think the magic of the series is in the drama and the suspense though. And cool zombie kills of course.

(Had to lol at the transformers comments though, haha! Sorry Van, you'll never live that down. You may be right about parts in this episode, but your well chronicled defense of dumb action and even dumber plot won't let you get away with it unscathed )

[Wormius]

I don't know how Merle would ever make it back into Rick's group. Considering how Glenn and Maggie were treated at his hands, it seems like they'd rather see him dead. I see Glenn abandoning him in a prison cell, possibly with a walker.

[c.t.ner]

This isn't a comment directly squarely towards people on this board, but in general from the conversations about the show that I've seen, but the producers seam to be in an epic catch 22 situation. If they focus too much on the mental/character driven story lines one half of their audience is pissed and if they focus too much on plot events/action/blood&gore/comicbook arcs the other half of the audience is pissed. I'll give the producers credit, because for at least a full season (Season 2 second half to Season 3 second half) they've done a really good job at this balance.

That being said, I think they're teetering on losing the half of the audience that really enjoyed the slow build up during Season 2, while galvanizing fans who thought Season 2 was far too slow. It'll be interesting to see if they keep the pace up with the second half of Season 2 or slow things down a bit.

[GreenLantern]

A lot of smug posts in here about how the episode was too predictible. I know this is a comic spoiler free thread, but let me just say you guys missed a lot of subtle things and should re watch the episode.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by AC

I think the season has been amazing all the way through so far.
I'm not sure I understand the claim that there was nothing to think about after the episode.

Spoiler!

Daryl got captured for one, what happens to him? Especially in regards to being put against or possibly with Merle it looks like.

A new group of members is now in the prison, do they stay?

The moustached prisoner came off as really creepy, what happens with him?

Rick and Michonne had a big stand-off at the end there, what does that mean for their fates?

Andrea seemed to get a clear window into how messed up the Governor really is finally. How does her position and viewpoint change? Will she flip back over to the prison's side now that she knows they're alive still?

And finally, what is the Governor planning to do / capable of doing to get his revenge now? He knows where this other group is, and Michonne just "killed" his daughter. This episode set up his push for revenge against the whole prison it would seem. I think that's very exciting because the inevitable attack should be awesome to watch. The biggest moment to look forward to is clearly going to be the Rick / Governor confrontation, since they haven't had an actual scene together yet.

If you didn't think anything really changed in the episode, I can only believe you went into the episode with a negative attitude towards it and saw what you wanted.

I don't get the "jumping the shark" talk. What did you want to see happen exactly?

I wanted none of those points i listed to happen.

Maybe it wasn't that bad but every time i see Andrea on screen i just want to punch my tv.

Add to that them going God Mode during the shootout scene which was horrendously played out. I haven't seen the bad guys shoot so bad on TV since the A-Team. It was totally unbelievable.

Also too many questions Like how they can sneak into a fortified town that easily? how rick could stand there like an idiot when he saw Shane and not get shot? How Darryl got captured? How the governor turned on Merle and how he knew that Darryl was his brother?

I also like how the unwritten rule that there can only be one male black guy in the group at a time.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I wanted none of those points i listed to happen.

Maybe it wasn't that bad but every time i see Andrea on screen i just want to punch my tv.

Add to that them going God Mode during the shootout scene which was horrendously played out. I haven't seen the bad guys shoot so bad on TV since the A-Team. It was totally unbelievable.

Also too many questions Like how they can sneak into a fortified town that easily? how rick could stand there like an idiot when he saw Shane and not get shot? How Darryl got captured? How the governor turned on Merle and how he knew that Darryl was his brother?

I also like how the unwritten rule that there can only be one male black guy in the group at a time.

Merle told G that M was dead. M shows up and runs Penny through. G has a meltdown, when the last of his old world dies. Pretty easy.

The gun play in the show has been pretty unbelievable since season 1. It goes in the suspension of disbelief draw for me.

I think we are just starting to see the beginning for a collapse into a very evil G.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Add to that them going God Mode during the shootout scene which was horrendously played out. I haven't seen the bad guys shoot so bad on TV since the A-Team. It was totally unbelievable.

Also too many questions Like how they can sneak into a fortified town that easily? how rick could stand there like an idiot when he saw Shane and not get shot? How Darryl got captured? How the governor turned on Merle and how he knew that Darryl was his brother?

the bad gunfight isn't something unique to this show, but what made it stick out is how every episode before this established the characters on both sides as elite snipers that can casually headshot a zombie from 50 feet away...and then suddenly it's like 2 stormtrooper units who have such bad luck they can't hit anybody with hundreds of rounds even by pure chance. maybe the smoke was a lot thicker than they showed.

As for your other questions...the town doesn't look so much like a fortress to me, the main walls are built from tractor tires and other junk, so I can accept that they had some small hole in the perimeter. Why Daryl got captured, he sort of got left behind in the chaos, and maybe let himself get caught in an effort to talk to Merle, which is what he wanted to do before. Maybe he told the Governer that when he got caught, that he wanted to see his bro. Why the Gov turned on Merle suddenly, it's cause he lied about killing Michonne.

I enjoy the show enough that I'm willing to make my own assumptions about things not completely explained, up to a point. hopefully the writing tightens up just a bit so that isn't necessary every single time something happens.

[GreenLantern]

Thats a good point, Daryl would have no reason to think that Merle was an enemy of the Governor, if anything he would think that naming him would help his chances of survival based off what Glen said prior.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I wanted none of those points i listed to happen.

Maybe it wasn't that bad but every time i see Andrea on screen i just want to punch my tv.

Add to that them going God Mode during the shootout scene which was horrendously played out. I haven't seen the bad guys shoot so bad on TV since the A-Team. It was totally unbelievable.

Also too many questions Like how they can sneak into a fortified town that easily? how rick could stand there like an idiot when he saw Shane and not get shot? How Darryl got captured? How the governor turned on Merle and how he knew that Darryl was his brother?

I also like how the unwritten rule that there can only be one male black guy in the group at a time.

I think you're setting your expectations too high and critiquing it far too in-depth at the cost of enjoying it for what it is. By all means, go watch other zombie-based hit series currently on TV.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

The next time thing kind of ruined the cliffhanger with Daryl and Merle, looks like they escape the mob.

You should have spoilered that; I avoid the "next episode" clips.


And, Cutty!!!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I think you're setting your expectations too high and critiquing it far too in-depth at the cost of enjoying it for what it is. By all means, go watch other zombie-based hit series currently on TV.

But I want reality in my Zombie shows!

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

But I want reality in my Zombie shows!

i want good acting in my zombie shows! and obviously the governor and andrea can't bring it.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

How hard can it be to scale the wall? It was built to hold off zombies, not people.

[Stay Golden]

The Governor taking the shiv of glass into his eye was the high lite for me. When the Governor was rambling on in his diatribe and went up stairs to get something to drink until he was about finished, bla bla bla.

I wanted Michonne to jam that zombie snapping head on his face or something.

I am a bit ticked off with the groups constant distrust with Michonne.
I wasn't to thrilled to see that Daryl got caught, but glad that it is hopefully looking like the eventual end for Merle.
Andrea continues to be attracted to the Governor in spite of every week discovering more about ho he really is.
Carl is continuing to be one bad ass little kid.
It should be interesting or maybe it will be nothing at all with that seedy inmate acting all creepy towards Carol and the farmer girl.
Hopefully this smaller group joins up when Rick gets back and he finally sees Michonne's value as a zombie killer and battling the Governor.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I am a bit ticked off with the groups constant distrust with Michonne.

I don't blame them for not trusting her, she doesn't give them any information when they question her. If she was more open with what was going on there would be some trust built.