2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah I included Lindblom because a LW needs to come back and so does some cap, but the only other option that fits those two criteria is JVR, and that's too much cap and a "post apex" player too.

Then Bennett going the other way because Frost is coming and would have nowhere to play unless they shift Bennett to the wing (which would make many understandably snap) or Ryan to the wing, which would be ok I guess while they break Frost into the league on the 4th line.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think you should just take out Bennett and Lindblom.

I doubt the Flyers are trading the guy who has been an inspiration for them through his battle with Cancer. And I'd rather the Flames see what they have with Bennett at center for a full season.

Gaudreau
Kylington

for

Frost
Sanheim

That feels pretty close to be honest. Probably a little bit more coming from Philly.

That means we'd be exposing...Giordano and someone else notable up front.

I really think the goal with Gaudreau should be the 7th or 8th overall pick. I could be sold on Frost + 1st + 1st, but I'd still WAY sooner go after the 7th or the 8th.

If you go back and look at the 7th and 8th picks in recent years - and this season is a strong draft - it is filled with stars. At that pick, unless you're incompetent, you're generally grabbing yourself a high impact player - especially when you look at this years strong draft.

Jamie Drysdale - bang, our defence is locked in for years.
Cole Perfetti/Marco Rossi/Anton Lundell - our centre depth is improved HUGELY.

If you can get one of those picks, and then shoot your shot on Hall and Lehner - I think you've had a significant summer.

Sam Bennett is showing us right now the incompetence of our previous coaches (which we already knew) and Treliving's bumbling of the depth players (..which we also already knew). Do not trade Sam Bennett without giving him a full season at centre with good wingers.

[Vinny01]

Is Frost injured? Why is he not playing in the playoffs?

I agree with Comix that Gaudreau should be traded for a high pick or prospect like Cozens that doesn’t require protection in the expansion draft.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That means we'd be exposing...Giordano and someone else notable up front.

I really think the goal with Gaudreau should be the 7th or 8th overall pick. I could be sold on Frost + 1st + 1st, but I'd still WAY sooner go after the 7th or the 8th.

If you go back and look at the 7th and 8th picks in recent years - and this season is a strong draft - it is filled with stars. At that pick, unless you're incompetent, you're generally grabbing yourself a high impact player - especially when you look at this years strong draft.

Jamie Drysdale - bang, our defence is locked in for years.
Cole Perfetti/Marco Rossi/Anton Lundell - our centre depth is improved HUGELY.

If you can get one of those picks, and then shoot your shot on Hall and Lehner - I think you've had a significant summer.

Sam Bennett is showing us right now the incompetence of our previous coaches (which we already knew) and Treliving's bumbling of the depth players (..which we also already knew). Do not trade Sam Bennett without giving him a full season at centre with good wingers.

Is Drysdale really going to play in the NHL next year and be an impact top 4 Dman straight out of junior?

I don't see it. Even Makar and Hughes didn't make the jump right away.

I think if you want to target a young RHD who is expansion exempt and can jump into the league next year you go after Nils Lundkvist from the Rangers. He's blocked by Trouba and Fox long term (they also have Deangelo as a RHD too), is 20 years old and just put up godly numbers in the Swedish league where he's been playing against men for 3 seasons now already.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is Frost injured? Why is he not playing in the playoffs?

I agree with Comix that Gaudreau should be traded for a high pick or prospect like Cozens that doesn’t require protection in the expansion draft.

For the record, Frost is expansion exempt.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Is Drysdale really going to play in the NHL next year and be an impact top 4 Dman straight out of junior?

I don't see it. Even Makar and Hughes didn't make the jump right away.

I think if you want to target a young RHD who is expansion exempt and can jump into the league next year you go after Nils Lundkvist from the Rangers. He's blocked by Trouba and Fox long term (they also have Deangelo as a RHD too), is 20 years old and just put up godly numbers in the Swedish league where he's been playing against men for 3 seasons now already.

Yeah but we can wait the one year for Drysdale if that's what it takes - but I don't think it's out of the question he can come straight in. The Gaudreau trade simply cannot be a short sighted one. Any talk of a "window" being open right now is foolish. I don't think windows exist, generally speaking - get the right core in place and compete for the better part of decade - and while we have some pieces, we still need to improve upon them. Be patient. Go the Colorado route - make trades that get you high picks and deliver you high impact core pieces like Makar (which is what I think Drysdale is). If not Drysdale, then Perfetti/Rossi/Lundell are all players that significant alter the shape of the team going forward.

I'm not familiar with Lundkvist but I'll look into him - but is he on the same level of Drysdale? The top rated defenceman in heralded draft who may drop to 7th or 8th due to the recent trend of drafting centres above all else - and I think that's the key, I think those 7th or 8th make sense from both New Jersey and Buffalo's sides of the deal. I'm not sure I see the fit with NYR.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

For the record, Frost is expansion exempt.

Is that why he is not playing?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That means we'd be exposing...Giordano and someone else notable up front.

With Valimaki being exempt I think the team has to be open to exposing Giordano. Go with Hanifin, Andersson, Valimaki, Sanheim as the top 4 moving forward. Plus I think it's going to be tough to find a team that doesn't want/need to send at least a little bit of cap back.

Probably only the Devils have that cap space...but they aren't really going to looking for Gaudreau with only 2 year left on his contract because he doesn't really fit their window. It's why they are shopping Palmeri and already moved Hall.

Teams that are most likely to look at Gaudreau are teams that are looking to win during the remaining two years on his contract, and think they might have a shot to re-sign him. IMO teams that fit the bill are:

-Buffalo: Need to take a step this year.
-Philly: Depending on playoff result may want to add to take a flyer on the hometown kid and Hayes best buddy
-New York Rangers: Have the first overall pick, and Panarin, could look to try to push to win during Lafreniere's ELC.
-Pittsburgh: Disappointing playoff result, never afraid to make big changes
-Boston: Could use more offense to make another push in the next couple years with Marchand/Bergeron still performing at a high level.
-Columbus: Not afraid to make a big move for an offensive talent that can help them (ie. trading for 2 years of Panarin)

[Harry Lime]

Johnny for futures are starting to make too much sense to me. (Especially if the Hall rumours end up being true).

New Jersey is a little disappointed in where their draft picks are landing, but if you get the later two picks from them (and the seeding remains the same as it is now) the Flames would pick 18-19-20. In this draft year, there are a tonne of quality players there. Right now mock drafts are expecting Lapierre-Zary-Amirov with possible dropping players of Holloway, Jarvis or Mercer.

Have Jersey throw in their choice of one or two expansion exempt players in Joe Anderson, Mike McLeod, Jesper Bratt, Janne Kuokkanen or Jesper Boqvist... and I'd be good to go.

As to the premise that Jersey is not in a competition window, I think that Hughes in his second year and Hirshier taking that step into young Bergeron territory, their window has been accelerated. They are also one of the best teams to sign a new contract for Johnny.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is that why he is not playing?

I don't think so, the Flyers just have a really deep team and everyone is healthy now. Even Farabee sat out the most recent game and he played 52 games this season.

[Roof-Daddy]

Gaudreau
Bennett

for

Cozens
8th overall

Too much?
Not enough?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Gaudreau
Bennett

for

Cozens
8th overall

Too much?
Not enough?

If we could swap Bennett with mangiapane I think it's palatable from the flames perspective. But I think it's likely not enough for buffalo.

I'd be willing to add any prospect or pick to this, perhaps even the flames own first.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If we could swap Bennett with mangiapane I think it's palatable from the flames perspective. But I think it's likely not enough for buffalo.

I'd be willing to add any prospect or pick to this, perhaps even the flames own first.

Why are we trading Mangiapane who was probably our most consistent forward in the regular season?

Cheap young home developed players are key and we have the expansion space to protect them.

I don't think we see Mangiapane or Bennett moved this offseason.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Gaudreau and Bennett for Cozens and 8th OA? Buffalo would take that and run, imo. We're receiving a player that had a good D+1, and the other is a magic bean. Buffalo gets a top 10 LW in the league if not top 5 and a player that lights it up during the playoffs (if they ever make it). We get robbed.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Gaudreau and Bennett for Cozens and 8th OA? Buffalo would take that and run, imo. We're receiving a player that had a good D+1, and the other is a magic bean. Buffalo gets a top 10 LW in the league if not top 5 and a player that lights it up during the playoffs (if they ever make it). We get robbed.

I agree. Needs more going the Flanes way.

[TheScorpion]

I want to see Bennett and Dube together for a full season before I entertain trading Sam.

[Heavy Jack]

If Johnny to Philly is happening I want Konecny being the main piece coming back and would be willing to add one of Mangiapane or Bennett to make that happen.

Gaudreau + Mangiapane for Konecny + Philly 1st (mid to late first rounder now)

Sign Hall
Sign Brodie

Hall - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Konecny
Lucic - Bennett - Dube
Pelletier - Ryan - Reider
Rinaldo, Phillips

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Gustafsson
Forbort

Talbot
Rittich


Really great top 9 to roll with; lots of size and skill throughout with the center spot being the most noticeable position needing an improvement (debatably) in the top 6.

For the cap crunchers - is this line-up cap friendly?

[Poe969]

I would like Gaudreau and Backlund and maybe Kylington or a different prospect or pick

For Cozens +8th overall + either risto and mittelstadt or Montour and Matej

Would need tinkering but Johnny and Backlund would make huge sense for the Sabres.

[Roof-Daddy]

Backlund has a full NTC for one more season, and although anything is possible I doubt he'd waive for Buffalo

[DB93]

Why are we trading Backlund? Outside of Bennett, he has probably been our best forward in the playoffs. He is a legit 2nd line center.