2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[AC]

Even if Bennett can never put it together to the same degree in the regular season, why get rid of a player that plays as great as he does when the games matter most?

We need more of those types of players, not less.

As long as his cost is low, I'd hold onto him. Especially given his seemingly great chemistry with Dube, another young star we can build around.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have been a huge Bennett fan and supporter but I definitely leaning toward selling high this offseason. He just isn’t close to the same player during the season nor can anyone play that style for an entire season.

Johnny and Bennett package that can get a big return. One player is ppg flashy star during the regular season and the other is a playoff beast.

Let's give him some regular season time to play with Dube and Lucic or someone else first before we trade him. He is finally getting consistently good line mates with a longer leash. Let's see if this pays off for him in the regular season.

I don't understand how people can be like "I love how bennett is playing he's been our best player by a mile in these playoffs... welp better trade him now" as if they don't realize that he has been our best player in the playoffs every year. Why do people want to trade away one of the few players that shows up every game? Mind boggling.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

How can you say that though? That’s once again ignoring the circumstances he’s been put in during the regular season. He has been playing wing to a player who is now scratched/won’t be qualified.

This sell-high notion is nonsense to me. The underlying numbers show he’s solid and has been hurt by poor linemates (and they have been truly poor linemates - he has had to play with the biggest anchors this team has had year in and year out), as well as some discipline issues due to immaturity/frustration. He’s now getting an opportunity to play at his natural position with actual NHL players on his line and it’s working.

He is doing what he always does and steps up in the playoffs by playing an extremely hard style that is impossible to maintain for 82 games. We see this every year then he is back to 10 goals and 25pts next year.

I don’t want to trade him for the sake of it but I would entertain offers if I am Treliving and I think Bennett has definitely increased his value to the highest it has been in a couple of years when it comes to a trade.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He is doing what he always does and steps up in the playoffs by playing an extremely hard style that is impossible to maintain for 82 games. We see this every year then he is back to 10 goals and 25pts next year.

I don’t want to trade him for the sake of it but I would entertain offers if I am Treliving and I think Bennett has definitely increased his value to the highest it has been in a couple of years when it comes to a trade.

He’s been playing with Jankowski and a random mix of RWers for the last 3 years.

The only times I liked those lines was when Jagr and Versteeg were on them in full health. Considering they were essentially never healthy it wasn’t for long stretches.

Let him play with some consistent line mates next season as a center and see what he can do.

[kurwamac]

I could see Rittich being in play if they decide to re-sign Talbot or another good UFA. It frees up money to address other needs, and you could get a better return because he's still rising.

They'll also give Lucic-Bennett-Dube a full season to work together, try to revive Lucic and make him trade-able. I wouldn't be surprised if Bennett gets inquiries come off-season. Teams always pay attention to emerging styles of play.. if these three have what it takes in the playoffs.. there will be suitors lining up. Bennett extended his career by at least 3-5 years with his post-season play.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by kurwamac

I could see Rittich being in play if they decide to re-sign Talbot or another good UFA. It frees up money to address other needs, and you could get a better return because he's still rising.

They'll also give Lucic-Bennett-Dube a full season to work together, try to revive Lucic and make him trade-able. I wouldn't be surprised if Bennett gets inquiries come off-season. Teams always pay attention to emerging styles of play.. if these three have what it takes in the playoffs.. there will be suitors lining up. Bennett extended his career by at least 3-5 years with his post-season play.

What? Bennett is an NHLer period. Even if he was struggling this post season he still fits in a bottom 6 role on any team.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

He’s been playing with Jankowski and a random mix of RWers for the last 3 years.

The only times I liked those lines was when Jagr and Versteeg were on them in full health. Considering they were essentially never healthy it wasn’t for long stretches.

Let him play with some consistent line mates next season as a center and see what he can do.

Fun fact

Versteeg - Bennett - Jagr played only 16:22 together as line. Basically two games. But in that time they posted a really solid 58.07% shot attempts and 56.05% scoring chances together - simply dominant numbers as a line. Gulutzan split the line up and both wingers were out of the NHL the next year.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Up front I think you start prioritizing a new core that has a "win by any means necessary" attitude. That means the new core is Bennett, Tkachuk, Dube, Lindholm, Mangiapane and I still think Monahan fits in there (I see the dude trying - he's working hard, but I honestly think he and Lindholm are both being hurt by Johnny's inability to carry the puck and his complete lack of ability to play defence). That's 6 forwards locked in for the expansion draft's 7 slots. If we can snag Hall, then there you go - that's the 7. Drafting Lapierre also gives you another bullet at the centre ice position - and it may still end up that Dube returns to centre so then we have Dube - Bennett - Monahan, which could be good - but Lapierre (one of the players I've perhaps irrationally fallen in love with heading to the draft) is another opportunity to snag a centre.

This is where I'm at too, I think we have a pretty good path for our forward group next year and then into the future.

For example if we trade Backlund / Gaudreau and sign Hall then I think this is a potential forward group for next season:

Hall - Monahan - ???
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Dube - Bennett - Lucic
??? - Ryan - ???

I think that roster is really deep at center and has the foundation of a good, deep lineup that's a good mix of youth and veterans.

The ??? marks can probably be filled with pieces we get back in the Gaudreau/Backlund deals and through internal promotions of guys like Phillips (RH), Gawdin (RH), or Pelletier (LH).

I think Gawdin and Phillips both had really unfortunate injuries this season and that if 100% healthy they would have been pieces that would have helped us in the bubble too.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is where I'm at too, I think we have a pretty good path for our forward group next year and then into the future.

For example if we trade Backlund / Gaudreau and sign Hall then I think this is a potential forward group for next season:

Hall - Monahan - ???
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Dube - Bennett - Lucic
??? - Ryan - ???

I think that roster is really deep at center and has the foundation of a good, deep lineup that's a good mix of youth and veterans.

The ??? marks can probably be filled with pieces we get back in the Gaudreau/Backlund deals and through internal promotions of guys like Phillips (RH), Gawdin (RH), or Pelletier (LH).

I think Gawdin and Phillips both had really unfortunate injuries this season and that if 100% healthy they would have been pieces that would have helped us in the bubble too.

Gaudreau to Buffalo for S. Reinhart + Pick/Prospect
Backlund for a 3rd Pairing RHD + Pick

Forwards:
Hall-Monahan-Reinhart
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Lucic-Bennett-Dube
Reider-Ryan-Rookie

Defense is going to be tricky though.
If Brodie would sign a short term (2 year) deal at $5.5M per that would be ideal, but I highly doubt that happens. If he wants long term, I'm not sure he's worth it here, with Gio declining, and likely being done in the next 2 to 3 seasons, where does Brodie fit in?
I'd like to see the changing of the gaurd begin, with Andersson and Valimaki playing together, and Hanifin-Kylington getting used to one another, see which is more comfortable on the right side.
Pair Gio with the RD you get back for Backlund, or sign a guy like Gudas as a UFA.

[djsFlames]

How's Hall been in these playoffs?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

How's Hall been in these playoffs?

6 points in 7 games and been noticeable when I've watched.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

6 points in 7 games and been noticeable when I've watched.

Excellent.

Bring him home!

[Calgary4LIfe]

I was really high on Reinhart in the draft, but I don't want him on the Flames any longer. Gaudreau for Reinhart would be a massive downgrade IMO, so that pick better be their first... and even then I would want more.



If the biggest portion of the return is a current player, I want a player that is both quick and rugged with some skill. I don't want a player that is slow, non-physical and only 'decently' offensive. Reinhart seemed like he was going to be this cerebral 2-way centre that you could match up against the top lines and still produce. Now he is just a decent winger lacking footspeed. I would take him on the team, but I wouldn't pay much for him, especially Gaudreau.

[dino7c]

Know who also has six points in the playoffs?

[kurwamac]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

What? Bennett is an NHLer period. Even if he was struggling this post season he still fits in a bottom 6 role on any team.

I didn't say this was the end of his career after this season. Must be the beta in you coming out (and your beta support group).
If all he has is a bottom 6 role in him, he'd probably only have 2-3 more years in the tank - replaced by a younger, faster bottom 6 NHLer - just ask Joe Colborne.

I could comfortably say Bennett has at least 5 additional if not 8 years in him. He's a role player for sure, one of those guys who'll go through a wall for his team come playoffs. Hopefully he'll have more confidence, support, and opportunity in the regular season.
One thing you guys aren't talking about is how Bennett WAS put on a line with Gaudreau-Monahan and with Tkachuk-Backlund. For whatever reason, it didn't click back then. Given how public Gaudreau is about liking Monahan, I could see him being the type of player who doesn't play as hard unless he's with his favorite pairing. It's a legit argument considering how many players they didn't click with like Jagr, Neal, Bennett.

I'd keep Bennett at center next year with his current line, then try to package him with Lucic in a trade.

[Roof-Daddy]

Gaudreau
Bennett
Kylington

$10,087,500 cap out

for

Lindblom (Swedish Mangiapane comparable)
Frost (expansion exempt)
Sanheim

$7,113,333 cap in


Too much?
Not enough?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Know who also has six points in the playoffs?

Oooh Ooh Me Me Me pick me!!!



Chris Tanev


yeah, the Canucks' stay at home defenseman.

[SportsJunky]

Also, Milan Lucic. Let's trade him for Johnny!

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Gaudreau
Bennett
Kylington

$10,087,500 cap out

for

Lindblom (Swedish Mangiapane comparable)
Frost (expansion exempt)
Sanheim

$7,113,333 cap in


Too much?
Not enough?

Treliving not only slams the phone down, he calls Fletcher back immediately after, only to slam the phone back down again even harder.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Gaudreau
Bennett
Kylington

$10,087,500 cap out

for

Lindblom (Swedish Mangiapane comparable)
Frost (expansion exempt)
Sanheim

$7,113,333 cap in


Too much?
Not enough?

I think you should just take out Bennett and Lindblom.

I doubt the Flyers are trading the guy who has been an inspiration for them through his battle with Cancer. And I'd rather the Flames see what they have with Bennett at center for a full season.

Gaudreau
Kylington

for

Frost
Sanheim

That feels pretty close to be honest. Probably a little bit more coming from Philly.