[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Voted for AV. I love the body of work he has done. He took Vancouver to contender status and sustained it for a long time. Same with NY. I think he's an elite coach and exactly what the Flames need.

Sutter would be my 2nd choice. I'm a big concerned that we don't have the personnel to play his grind 'em style like LA did. But he would command immediate respect and the days of the Flames being pushovers and soft would be done.

Either hire I'd be happy with, but AV is my first choice.

I'm not saying AV turned the Sedins into stars, but he sure helped it along. He took a long look up and down his lineup and built his structure around the tools (players) he had.

I bet AV wouldn't have a problem tailoring an attack around Johnny's abilities, and making set plays where Monahan is a triggerman since he so damn effective at finding quiet ice and unleashing a lighting quick shot.

[KipperRules]

Voted for Sutter. I hope he comes back for redemption on 2004. I am also be fine with AV, his Canuck stink has to be gone by now.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Todd Reirden. BT should have hired him over Gulutzan (Friedman mentioned, back then, that Reirden was a finalist)

He can bring Joey Mullen too and or hire Tim Hunter .

It's amazing how many ex flames are in coaching

[Otto29]

There is a conspiracy here. Im sure the Flames read these boards and Im sure they get great pleasure from trolling CP. SO they will hire Peters :P

Seriously, I'm not sure they want the Sutter show back and Sutter's style doesn't really fit with the current players.

I'm not sure who will be hired but if history shows us anything, it will be someone out of left field that few of us expected.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Losing in the second round three times in a row (game 7 twice) of the playoffs is hardly exceptionally poor. Especially considering the team that has beaten them twice, the Penguins, has gone on to win the cup both times.

Exceptionally poor is what we just saw in Calgary under Gulutzan with an above average roster.

Gulutzan's poor results don't excuse Trotz's results.

I don't know where I saw it, but somebody made the comparison that the 2009-2018 Capitals are like the 1986-1995 Flames, sans the Cup win.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Red

Washington is just like the Flames in the good old days. Great team, but not good enough to beat the even better Oilers. Can't blame the coaches for running in to a dynasty type team.

Trotz played a big part in at least them losing in 2016. That series really came down to a huge difference in coaching strategies. Trotz did seem to try a few things differently(better) in 2017 but overall I think his style is more similar than not to Gulutzan with too much focus on grinding and too little on transition or making adjustments. I do think he has one major plus on his resume though: 23yo Evgeni Kuznetsov's breakout season in 2016.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Otto29

Seriously, I'm not sure they want the Sutter show back and Sutter's style doesn't really fit with the current players.

Then get rid of some current players.

[SuperMatt18]

Honestly with the rumors that there may be wholesale changes in Minnesota if they lose in the first round again then Boudreau should move to the top of the list.

Every full season the guy has coached his teams have reached 100 points.

I honestly think his work with that Minnesota team this year is very underappreciated, that roster this year isn't very pretty but still another 100 points season regardless.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Trotz played a big part in at least them losing in 2016. That series really came down to a huge difference in coaching strategies. Trotz did seem to try a few things differently(better) in 2017 but overall I think his style is more similar than not to Gulutzan with too much focus on grinding and too little on transition or making adjustments. I do think he has one major plus on his resume though: 23yo Evgeni Kuznetsov's breakout season in 2016.

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Trotz played a big part in at least them losing in 2016. That series really came down to a huge difference in coaching strategies. Trotz did seem to try a few things differently(better) in 2017 but overall I think his style is more similar than not to Gulutzan with too much focus on grinding and too little on transition or making adjustments. I do think he has one major plus on his resume though: Evgeni Kuznetsov's breakout season in 2016.

Barrie Trotz: Helping Columbus Win One Bad Move at a Time

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/James...Time/243/92340

Barrie Trotz is in competition with Randy Carlyle for the worst coach in the NHL, if you want my opinion.

He is brutal.

Trotz makes terrible decision after terrible decision and it makes following the Capitals extremely frustrating. Whether it's ignorance to the actual quality of play Brooks Orpik, his ignorance regarding advanced stats and analytics, or his weird decisions to scratch good player or shove them far down in the lineup at the expense of terrible players like Chandler Stephenson and Devonte Smith-Pelly. Half of what he does is inexplicable.

[Fischy13]

I heard a little more info yesterday. Contemplated saying anything as what I heard was personal. By no means does this mean it's the Flames either. However, Peter's is looking/facilitating a move to Canada. That's all I'll say on that.

I've seen a couple posters question that Peter's is/isn't leaving Carolina. Maybe you haven't seen the other thread? Peter's is negotiating his settlement from his option year. It's a complicated negotiation, hence the extension. This extension has nothing to do with deciding if he will stay with Carolina or not. He's leaving. With 2 Canadian offer in his hand, my source doesn't know where he will go. It's been quite tight lipped.

[Mark]

Is Sutter this popular because of nostalgia? I get the fact he is a legend for being a major part of '04, but I'm not sold he is what the team currently needs nor are they that close enough to benefit from his short term boost. We all want a coach who can kick this team in the pants, but we've already been down this path before. Slightly off topic, but I'm curious if those who want Sutter back are the same people that wanted Iggy back last season.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

BT Hires AV. AV picks GG as an assistant.

CP is happy but angry at the same time.

It won't happen, but Gulutzan would probably be a very good coach to keep on as an assistant, with a new, larger presence actually leading the team. Gulutzan would be able to focus on systems, the head coach could manage the players and the game.

[Fischy13]

Posted this in the other GG thread, prob belongs here.

I heard a little more info yesterday. Contemplated saying anything as what I heard was personal. By no means does this mean it's the Flames either. However, Peter's is looking/facilitating a move to Canada. That's all I'll say on that.

I've seen a couple posters question that Peter's is/isn't leaving Carolina. Maybe you haven't seen the other thread? Peter's is negotiating his settlement from his option year. It's a complicated negotiation, hence the extension. This extension has nothing to do with deciding if he will stay with Carolina or not. He's leaving. With 2 Canadian offer in his hand, my source doesn't know where he will go. It's been quite tight lipped.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Mark

I'm curious if those who want Sutter back are the same people that wanted Iggy back last season.

No.

[Red]

The most significant comment from Treliving was that they are looking for an experienced coach.
A have a feeling they already have one hired otherwise he set himself up for a failure if he can't land one.

My preference would be AV and then Sutter. Trotz would top the list if he gets let go.

[saXon]

Any coach is going to get flack from their fanbase and from their city's media outlets for the underperformance of the team. It's not anything earth-shattering

[puckedoff]

I do not want Sutter back as coach. This team has enough trouble scoring!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Mark

Is Sutter this popular because of nostalgia? I get the fact he is a legend for being a major part of '04.

You know he did pretty good after '04 right? He has his name on the Cup twice, he might just be a decent coach.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Red

The most significant comment from Treliving was that they are looking for an experienced coach.
A have a feeling they already have one hired otherwise he set himself up for a failure if he can't land one.

My preference would be AV and then Sutter. Trotz would top the list if when he gets let go.

When, not if.

He is turfed if he doesn't win a Cup and the Penguins are still in it. The law of everything states the Caps won't win it with the Pens still in it.

[NiklasSundblad]

Originally Posted by Mark

Is Sutter this popular because of nostalgia?

I have a hunch it's because of his two Stanley Cups.