[Trade] Elias Lindholm to VAN for Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond 2024 4th

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If we really want to get into semantics, because who doesn't enjoy that, I think he's a B+ prospect.

You're just saying that because his name starts with a 'B' has two 'Zs' and a 'W.'

This isn't Scrabble you know!

Have you no respect for the hard-working men and women of the Fanattic that have to adorn jerseys with these names?

For shame sir! For shame!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Based on what? The ramblings of Oiler fanboys Frank Seravelli and Mark Spector?

There has not be a single credible source that says they want to leave. Until that happens I would assume they are staying.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Pretty easy. Points don't mean a lot in evaluating a player. Very flawed players can put up massive numbers in juniors against boys. A player is the sum of their parts and there are concerns Brzustewicz is an incomplete player. This is why Vancouver was willing to give him up in the deal and not any of their top prospects. If a player didn't have warts they wouldn't be available for trade, their drafting team would sit on them.

I have no idea why people get so bent on having a prospect called a B level prospect. A B level prospect is still a good prospect, just with holes or limiting facts in their games. Every single one of the Flames top prospects are B level prospects. We have a lot of them. Doesn't mean they are bad, they just have limitations that could prevent them from making the NHL. Size is a problem for a lot of them. Two-way play is going to hurt others. Their skills translating is another big concern. The crucible of the pros will determine if these guys are going to be players but the concerns around their complete package is what makes them B prospects. No shame in that. Still means they have a legitimate chance in playing in the NHL.



Coronato and Wolf are both B prospects. Both of them have factors that are working against them and have people skeptical at their games translating to the NHL.

If Coronato and Wolf are B prospects there are probably only about 20 A prospects around the league max. I personally would put anyone who has the potential to play top 4 or top 6 or just be a NHL goalie as an A prospect.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If Coronato and Wolf are B prospects there are probably only about 20 A prospects around the league max. I personally would put anyone who has the potential to play top 4 or top 6 or just be a NHL goalie as an A prospect.

Let's try and find common ground here on what constitutes a scale for prospects. After that, ratings should be pretty easy to figure out. I've seen this as a basis on different sites.

Bluechipper A+ = potential to be an all star player at their position and one of the best players in the game. Very few of these elite talents in the pipeline.

A = potential to be a top six player. Best at his position on his team and able to push a veteran out of the top six. Might be one or two per team, but usually only those with deep systems who have drafted early.

B = potential to be a middle six player.

C = potential to be a bottom six player.

D = potential to be a tweener to a good AHL player.

F = minor league pro in the lesser leagues (ECHL, Europe).

Would you say that is a fair rubric for rating? With that in mind, where do the Flames' prospects shake out? A lot of B and C level talent in the system, but no A level prospects. Might be able to make Jiri happy and go with a B+ for Wolf, but that would be it unfortunately. Need guys to overachieve and exceed their ratings to push the team forward.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I doubt anyone is saving money for the guys in Edmonton, certainly appears like they are all staying there.

Eh, we'll see about that. Yeah, ideally losing to Van and another early exit may have helped their hopeless feeling up north and desire to leave, whereas a SCF run may make them stick around...but from another perspective, maybe the glitter twins (especially Connor) felt the pressure to bring a Cup to stinktown like Gretzky did. If the unthinkable happens tomorrow, perhaps he feels he's accomplished his goal and moves on like LeBron did after that Cavs title.

And Lindholm clearly wants to go down south, Canadian teams need to stop making him long-term offers.

[AustinL_NHL]

I think as much as A/B/C/etc.. prospects go, there are also +/- to each level, and I think it could argued for all of Wolf/Coronato/Brz would be in the A- to B+ range of prospects.

Calling them all "B" prospects is definitely a bit unfair imo

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Let's try and find common ground here on what constitutes a scale for prospects. After that, ratings should be pretty easy to figure out. I've seen this as a basis on different sites.

Bluechipper A+ = potential to be an all star player at their position and one of the best players in the game. Very few of these elite talents in the pipeline.

A = potential to be a top six player. Best at his position on his team and able to push a veteran out of the top six. Might be one or two per team, but usually only those with deep systems who have drafted early.

B = potential to be a middle six player.

C = potential to be a bottom six player.

D = potential to be a tweener to a good AHL player.

F = minor league pro in the lesser leagues (ECHL, Europe).

Would you say that is a fair rubric for rating? With that in mind, where do the Flames' prospects shake out? A lot of B and C level talent in the system, but no A level prospects. Might be able to make Jiri happy and go with a B+ for Wolf, but that would be it unfortunately. Need guys to overachieve and exceed their ratings to push the team forward.

I don't think those are the definitions scouts and writers use. Pretty much only A and B are expected to be NHLers IIRC.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Locke

Is he on drugs? If this is true I think he might be misunderstanding the market.

If someone offered him 7x7 he should have signed that before the ink was dry.

Lots of rumours that the Canucks offer was sub 7. They made a courtesy offer that they anticipated being rejected. The Canucks are apparently all in on Guentzel and have him pegged as the guy they want but made the offer to Lindholm because if he accepted it then they have him on an incredibly friendly contract.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Lots of rumours that the Canucks offer was sub 7. They made a courtesy offer that they anticipated being rejected. The Canucks are apparently all in on Guentzel and have him pegged as the guy they want but made the offer to Lindholm because if he accepted it then they have him on an incredibly friendly contract.

It ought to have been sub-7. He played like ass.

If he got offered a 7x7 he should have clung to it like a drowning man to a life preserver.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Locke

It ought to have been sub-7. He played like ass.

If he got offered a 7x7 he should have clung to it like a drowning man to a life preserver.

Rumours are the Bruins are offering well over 7 to him July 1st

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Based on what? The ramblings of Oiler fanboys Frank Seravelli and Mark Spector?

Maybe based on the fact that they’re about to complete an 0-3 comeback and win the Stanley Cup.

Players don’t typically leave teams capable of doing that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Rumours are the Bruins are offering well over 7 to him July 1st

Then they are idiots.

[Groot]

I really don't care about whether you call them A or B prospects, the reality is that Brzustewicz just finished an OHL season where he put up an absurd 92 points, only behind a defenseman considered to be a top 10 or top 5 draft prospect in Parekh. He was a second team CHL all-star and won a bunch of awards this season.

He is a very good prospect with first pair potential. Whether he gets there is the question.

Wolf absolutely has high-end starter potential and is considered a top 3 goalie prospect in the NHL. Call him a B prospect all you want, then there isn't a single A goalie prospect anywhere.

And Coronato absolutely has top 6 potential still. He's literally had 1 pro season as a PPG player for the Wranglers.

Call them A- or B+ or D, who cares. They are all very good prospects that have ceilings of being very impactful players for the team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That’s why it is dollars (plural).

The doughnuts are also plural. No advantage there.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Maybe based on the fact that they’re about to complete an 0-3 comeback and win the Stanley Cup.

Players don’t typically leave teams capable of doing that.

No they aren't.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Rumours are the Bruins are offering well over 7 to him July 1st

I'm not buying it at all. I'm not saying that isn't out there, I just can't see the Bruins spending that kind of money on that player with a window to compete that is inevitably shrinking.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I'm not buying it at all. I'm not saying that isn't out there, I just can't see the Bruins spending that kind of money on that player with a window to compete that is inevitably shrinking.

You and I agree it's a mistake by the team if true

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No they aren't.

They better not, they’ll be friggen insufferable in ways we can’t even imagine.

[Kipper_3434]

Calling wolf anything but an A+ prospect, is outright disrespectful, in light of what he's accomplished at this point in his career.

[dammage79]

What else could a goalie prospect possibly do in his development than what Wolf has? He's been the most accomplished Goalie prospect since.....god I don't know.

Dudes done everything and then some more to earn this chance.