Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What did she say?

Goto the AB Politics thread and Fuzz put up the youtube link. It was nauseating listening to that moron speak but at least you get to listen to the NDP Christina Gray bitchslap her into oblivion.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Looch City

She's just gaslighting saying it was Trudeau's idea to go to US media and talk about how bad of an idea tariffs are and how now Carney says it's treason.

Deflect deflect deflect. She's a stubborn one. I could only listen to her for 1min before getting a headache.

She's too dumb to understand the issue is that she specifically said PAUSE the tariffs until after our election and then expressly mentioned that a Poilievre government would be aligned with Trump.

Like.. pause the tariffs until Poilievre wins, then we'll capitulate so hard. JFC. What the #### Alberta? Why did you elect that twatwaffle?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't think MPs should be able to hold any coins that can't be easily traced back to their original source. Just seems like a very easy loophole to exploit in terms of bribery, foreign interference, etc.

I also don't think PP having crypto holdings is a big deal. Most diversified portfolios have them these days. I'm more just speaking to the conflict of interest optics. Carney's is no worse than PP's, IMO.

It's a good thing you don't care about Pierre's crypto holdings because a CBC reported just claimed this afternoon that he only has about $8,100 in crypto assets (which is via an ETF.)

[activeStick]

Wild!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1904620849920868801

[Fuzz]

It looks like a gender reveal gone wrong, and corrected.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

If Poilievre wins, I think Canada will become a U.S. territory. Maybe just Alberta, or the entire country within five to 10 years. Both terrify me. Maybe in four weeks I should commence my plan to move.

(I do think Carney wins, but then the separation/American-state movement picks up steam.)

We need to do something about Russian and American psyops to protect our populace from foreign interests. I can't believe I'm saying that, just a few months ago I was dismissive of these being anything noteworthy. I hope that's a national debate question because not talking about it is not acknowledging reality.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Is Carney really all that awful?

He sounds intelligent, he carries himself well, he has an extensive resume of accolades and accomplishments, and he isn't pandering to nutjobs and the most objectionable parts of the Liberal party.

He still has a little bit of work to earn my vote, but he seems like a sign that competent politicians can exist.

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So who we figure is the next person from the MAGAverse to try the "I swear I'd prefer Carney" trick? Elon? Joe Rogan?

It would actually be hilarious if Carney went on Rogan. He would destroy, in a good way, and Rogan would love him. He would be an awesome guest actually to explain how the world economies work and what post 2008 and post Brexit management looked like. I would love to hear him talking about that. (I am sure he has. I am too lazy to look for it.)

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Wild!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1904620849920868801

Alberta and Saskatchewan. Two great provinces!

Also coincidentally the two provinces with the highest GDP per capita in Canada.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

Alberta and Saskatchewan. Two great provinces!

Also coincidentally the two provinces with the highest GDP per capita in Canada.

Do you think that is a function of government or geology?

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you think that is a function of government or geology?

Blind-arse luck.

[driveway]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/46l...ST-VyO0f9fcR1g

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2DN...Qbi_NQ5ZVMFPyg

https://open.spotify.com/episode/69n...T46yMG3RgcoCRA


https://open.spotify.com/episode/0pu...RFO_MEJk2nR60Q

Here are links to some podcasts with Carney appearing as a guest over the last 4 years. I don’t really know anything about any of these podcasts, this is just what I was able to find in a quick search in Spotify.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

Alberta and Saskatchewan. Two great provinces!

Also coincidentally the two provinces with the highest GDP per capita in Canada.

I think I’m going to drink every time someone uses GDP per capita. It’s the only way to put me out of my misery, because this entirely useless and meaningless statistic just gets used constantly.

It’s so annoying. Go look at Ireland and how they have this massive GDP per capita, and it’s all due to low corporate tax so Apple and other companies have funnelled profits through Ireland. It’s been called “Leprechaun Economics”, and sure the per capita GDP is $100k/ person, but it’s meaningless. There is a lot of disparity and it’s basically an inflated figure. All the dumb graphs that show how terrible Canada is, also show Ireland with this massive figure, and both are misleading. Ireland, as I explained, and Canada because our population has increased substantially. So, while growth hasn’t been good in Canada, the denominator has increased significantly and the per capita GDP declined.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Wild!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1904620849920868801

It looks like the last time Alberta elected 5 Liberal MPs was 1949. Since then, the high-water mark has been 4 a few times, including 1993 and 2015.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think I’m going to drink every time someone uses GDP per capita. It’s the only way to put me out of my misery, because this entirely useless and meaningless statistic just gets used constantly.

It’s so annoying. Go look at Ireland and how they have this massive GDP per capita, and it’s all due to low corporate tax so Apple and other companies have funnelled profits through Ireland. It’s been called “Leprechaun Economics”, and sure the per capita GDP is $100k/ person, but it’s meaningless. There is a lot of disparity and it’s basically an inflated figure. All the dumb graphs that show how terrible Canada is, also show Ireland with this massive figure, and both are misleading. Ireland, as I explained, and Canada because our population has increased substantially. So, while growth hasn’t been good in Canada, the denominator has increased significantly and the per capita GDP declined.

You always use this example - but Ireland is the exception to the norm - a small country that literally created a strategy to get large corporations to set up benificial tax haven headquarters there

Alberta and Sask aren’t doing that . So while per capita GDP isn’t the best measurement and can be misleading , your example why it is misleading and “bad” is also …. Misleading and bad

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You always use this example - but Ireland is the exception to the norm - a small country that literally created a strategy to get large corporations to set up benificial tax haven headquarters there

Alberta and Sask aren’t doing that . So while per capita GDP isn’t the best measurement and can be misleading , your example why it is misleading and “bad” is also …. Misleading and bad

“It’s misleading to show an example proving the stat can’t be trusted without context while explaining why that example is unique, in context”

I mean you just regurgitated a tiny portion of what he said, stripped out even more of the context he added, and then called it misleading and bad lol.

Good effort though.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

No one has actually agreed it’s the right idea. Carney (and somehow no one has noticed this) says the consumer carbon tax is not politically viable and needed to be hidden.

No one is saying Carbon Taxes are the wrong way to fight climate change.

But if you want a right wing policy that is better than the center and left wing policies the Carbon Tax is an excellent example of one. Instead of subsidizing a green transition you let the market take care of it with predictable increases to the cost until it matches the external cost to society. This worked already to save the Ozone layer.

So this is kind of a funny post. You are trying to find a right wing policy which is better than a left wing policy and choose to attack the right wing policy and use that attack as an example of the right being right.

That’s not an accurate framing of left vs right when it comes to climate change. The left position is to subsidize the green transition. The centrist position is encourage the market to capture the externalities. The right-wing approach is to simply ignore climate change is happening and do nothing about it.

[kn]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Any of our more right wing members done the vote compass?
Curious if it checks out accurately for you.

Yeah, I'm in-between the PPC and Cons, which aligns with my thoughts this election.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“It’s misleading to show an example proving the stat can’t be trusted without context while explaining why that example is unique, in context”

I mean you just regurgitated a tiny portion of what he said, stripped out even more of the context he added, and then called it misleading and bad lol.

Good effort though.

Yeah Apple is bringing up Alberta and Sasks Per Capita GDP

It’s a fantastic comparison . More like an Apple to Natural Resources comparison

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You always use this example - but Ireland is the exception to the norm - a small country that literally created a strategy to get large corporations to set up benificial tax haven headquarters there

Alberta and Sask aren’t doing that . So while per capita GDP isn’t the best measurement and can be misleading , your example why it is misleading and “bad” is also …. Misleading and bad

For instance, though GDP per capita is an indirect measure of average income, it does not necessarily mean that the ‘typical’ person in the economy earns this amount. In a province like Alberta, GDP per capita tends to be much higher than average household income because of the tremendous value generated by our capital-intensive oil and gas industry.

In addition, GDP per capita has little to say about income distribution. For instance, suppose we had a 10-person economy with a total GDP of $1 million. While per capita GDP suggests that all ten people enjoy six-figure salaries, there could just as easily be a situation where one person earns $900,000 while the remaining nine make a little more than $11,000 each.

Likewise, if GDP per capita is growing, that growth could be accruing to the already wealthy with no benefit to the typical family. To better understand how different socioeconomic groups are faring, we need to use an indicator like the Gini Coefficient which measures the amount of inequality in an economy.

Source: Business Council of Alberta

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

We need to do something about Russian and American psyops to protect our populace from foreign interests. I can't believe I'm saying that, just a few months ago I was dismissive of these being anything noteworthy. I hope that's a national debate question because not talking about it is not acknowledging reality.

Well, our government does what it can to identify foreign influence, but it's impossible to stop all of it. It'll also likely never stop either. We do it to countries that are not our allies and others do the same.