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[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky

I actually think they could've gone further with the scene in order to really solidify The Governer as a bad, bad dude. They could've built up some real character hatred in the audience without being overly graphic.

But the scene was definitely tense.

I agree, they could have gone further and IMO should have. They could have had him undo her pants and they cut away, so you know the result and its nothing worse than we've seen on shows like Law & Order SVU

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think that was maybe the worst episode of the series so far.

I thought it was one of the best (for reference, I disliked a great deal of the first and second seasons). I love the world that they've created, where everyone has accepted how ruthless you have to be to survive and how everyone who's been in the muck this whole time (~1.5 years now), is a stone cold bad-ass. Sure some goofy and random things happen, but when your world is complete chaos, these things are bound to happen with some regularity. Ok, Andrea sucks and the lightsaber melee weapons are wearing pretty thin. But they've finally established the tone and mythology I've wanted this show to have since day one, so I'm down for pretty much anything.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I agree, they could have gone further and IMO should have. They could have had him undo her pants and they cut away, so you know the result and its nothing worse than we've seen on shows like Law & Order SVU

do they really need to do the rape though, even offscreen? I thought they've done a pretty good job of gradually upping the Governer's scumbag factor, without going over the top and ruining the balance between his charasmatic and dark sides. that little grin he gave Glenn while holding and kissing Maggie, see that was pure evil but nice and subtle too.

having him actually carry out the rape would make people hate him quite easily of course, but then why not just have him walking around punching kids in the throat, cause that would make him a stock bad guy too. the real challange for the writers is how do we get the audience to despise and want this guy dead, without making him a...ahem...comic book style villain.

or they could have just made the Governer a woman. that always seems to work on this show for viewers hating a character and wanting them killed off.

[Joborule]

That scene of Glenn going into beast mode when up against the zombie was awesome.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Joborule

That scene of Glenn going into beast mode when up against the zombie was awesome.

I loved that scene as well, but I hated how unbelievably unrealistic it was when he was smashing that chair to pieces against the wall.

Other than that, wow.

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I loved that scene as well, but I hated how unbelievably unrealistic it was when he was smashing that chair to pieces against the wall.

Other than that, wow.

What was unrealistic about breaking a chair on a wall?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I loved that scene as well, but I hated how unbelievably unrealistic it was when he was smashing that chair to pieces against the wall.

Other than that, wow.

I was actually surprised it took as much effort as it did.

Awesome scene. Definitely unleashed something in Glenn that is going to be fun to watch.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by sevenarms

What was unrealistic about breaking a chair on a wall?

Well in my Zombie Apocalypse experience, as chair such as that, most likely made from a hard wood, will take much more abuse to break.

[Stay Golden]

Wasn't a big fan of this weeks episode, the story was not brought along really much at all. I think this tied to chair and smashing into the wall theory should be turned over to CP's myth busters...

[JerzeeGirl]

I really liked this week's episode actually - thought they found the right blend of menace and evil for the Governor without going too far into the overly comic-like type of villain. What he did to Maggie was imho (as a girl) almost worse than if he had actually raped her - that kind of mental mindf##k and taking away of your power can be much more shattering than a physical beating/molestation. At least I think so.

Glenn had such a great story line in this episode too - regardless of whether you thought the chair would break that easily or not, pure moment of awesomeness when he manages to kill the zombie. And then when he has the gun pointed at his face and steps toward it, lifting his chin in a defiant way to show he won't betray the group, what a change from the start of season 1 where he was so afraid of everything.

As for Michonne, she really is like a computer - she hoards her information doling it out sparingly and not offering up anything that might lead the group off the path she thinks is best. I'm ready for her to be a bit more multi-dimensional tho - yeah she's a great zombie killer and total bad@ss but can't we see her start to be more than that? Seriously, enuf with the "I smelled a zombie fart that won't go away" face already.

You could see that it was all a set up to lead to a big cliff hanger next week tho which might be why some felt it didn't really feel to move along but it was a good lead in to our last episode of this half...Sundays won't be the same without TWD to look fwd to.

[rayne008]

I really like how they established Ricks group as badass, from them strolling through the woods in formation, killing in a planned way, to the governor alluding to the fact the clearing out the prison would be very difficult...

[bcsoda]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Disagree, while I can't think of an episode to put in that place, I think last night set up a lot of future conflict. It solidified Daryl's position in the group, "he is all in".

Also, Andrea struggling into tight pants, and Maggie topless saves this from being Worst Episode Ever, insert Comicbook Guy

Honestly this kind of stuff is what ruins it for me. This could just be a really awesome badass show with strong female (and male) characters, but then they have to throw in the obligatory unnecessary overt sexualization. They didn't need to show Andrea struggling into her pants, we would have got the idea that they just had sex without that. It was done entirely to stroke the male gaze.

Originally Posted by JerzeeGirl

I really liked this week's episode actually - thought they found the right blend of menace and evil for the Governor without going too far into the overly comic-like type of villain. What he did to Maggie was imho (as a girl) almost worse than if he had actually raped her - that kind of mental mindf##k and taking away of your power can be much more shattering than a physical beating/molestation. At least I think so.

I really appreciate that they didn't take it any further, it wasn't totally necessary (though definitely would have solidified how evil the Governor is, so I guess it depends what they wanted to go for), but I have to say I disagree with you. I don't see how this could be worse than if he had raped her. They're both probably traumatizing, but actually having that power taken away from you sounds far more traumatizing than someone threatening to. In the end, she at least had the relief that it never happened, but if it had happened then she would have had a lot taken from her.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by JerzeeGirl

What he did to Maggie was imho (as a girl) almost worse than if he had actually raped her - that kind of mental mindf##k and taking away of your power can be much more shattering than a physical beating/molestation. At least I think so.

Are you kidding me? Had he raped her, she would of had even more power taken away and had even more mental trauma. Between going through everything that happened on the farm and performing the C section, she would of been completely broken.

I don't think there is anything more shattering than rape.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by bcsoda

Honestly this kind of stuff is what ruins it for me. This could just be a really awesome badass show with strong female (and male) characters, but then they have to throw in the obligatory unnecessary overt sexualization. They didn't need to show Andrea struggling into her pants, we would have got the idea that they just had sex without that. It was done entirely to stroke the male gaze.

Honestly this kind of stuff is what ruins it for me. This could just be a really awesome badass show with strong female (and male) characters, but then they have to throw in the obligatory unnecessary overt sexualization. They didn't need to show Shane nude in the shower/running around half shirtless, we would have got the idea that he just had a shower for the first time in months/too lazy to button up his shirt without that. It was done entirely to stroke the female gaze.

Besides Andrea stuffing her ass in her pants, what other obligatory unnecessary overt sexualization has there been?

[bcsoda]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

What about Shane running around half shirtless for most of season 2? Not to mention him in the shower in season 1? It was done entirely to stroke the female gaze.

Besides Andrea stuffing her ass in her pants, what other obligatory unnecessary overt sexualization has there been?

I'm not saying the stuff with Shane was any better. And I'm also not saying that there's been a lot of it happening. I love the show, I'm just saying that stuff like that seems unnecessary and throws it off for me.

[JerzeeGirl]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Are you kidding me? Had he raped her, she would of had even more power taken away and had even more mental trauma. Between going through everything that happened on the farm and performing the C section, she would of been completely broken.

I don't think there is anything more shattering than rape.

Originally Posted by bcsoda

I really appreciate that they didn't take it any further, it wasn't totally necessary (though definitely would have solidified how evil the Governor is, so I guess it depends what they wanted to go for), but I have to say I disagree with you. I don't see how this could be worse than if he had raped her. They're both probably traumatizing, but actually having that power taken away from you sounds far more traumatizing than someone threatening to. In the end, she at least had the relief that it never happened, but if it had happened then she would have had a lot taken from her.

To explain what I mean a bit more fully - by taking her clothes and threatening rape in the way he did, he makes her experience the terror and powerlessness of it. Had he gone thru with it, she could have separated that out and wouldn't have had to fear the reality of it happening.

What he's done instead is make her realize she's completely powerless to stop him in anything he wants to do & she knows he can hurt/rape her at any point he wants to. It's an unknown variable that she has to live with and worry over which makes it even worse imho.

This is just my opinion on what it would do to one's mental state & how I personally think the mental torture of it would be worse than a physical torture which you can heal from/separate yourself from. I don't mean to trivialize the physical act of rape at all, that would just compound the mental mindf##k he'd already laid down.

[speede5]

Part of me loves this show and part hates it.

How long would a zombie be able to survive? rotting flesh, little nutrition, I'm thinking if you survive a year or so there would be few left. Especially down south, it's stinkin hot down there and they would rot so friggin fast.

How come they don't turn after they cover themselves in zombie guts, blood dripping into their mouths, open wounds (Michonnes bullet wound?), I mean geez, that's a major oversight.

Was I the only one who thought Andrea and Michonne were lovers?

I like the unpredicatbility of who will be killed next but they are getting carried away. I really hope they don't kill off Glenn and/or Maggie. Glenn is my favorite on the show.

Why people have to keep key points to themselves is so annoying. Michonne should have made the Daryl/Merle connection public, geez, you can still write a good story without this technique. She has to know it's Andrea's old group, tell them she's there.

The 'heroes' do some pretty evil stuff. That cabin scene was just wrong. I get it, the world's in bad shape and people are getting cold, but man, it get's harder to cheer for them every week.

Anyway, just a few nitpicks, I could go on but it is what it is.

I was on the edge on my seat during the experiment, if that zombie had responded to the questions I was ready to pop. And why the frick didn't she tell that idiot all about the CDC and what that guy showed them. Come on, that seems like the logical conversation to have in that scene.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by speede5

Part of me loves this show and part hates it.

How long would a zombie be able to survive? rotting flesh, little nutrition, I'm thinking if you survive a year or so there would be few left. Especially down south, it's stinkin hot down there and they would rot so friggin fast.

How come they don't turn after they cover themselves in zombie guts, blood dripping into their mouths, open wounds (Michonnes bullet wound?), I mean geez, that's a major oversight.

Was I the only one who thought Andrea and Michonne were lovers?

I like the unpredicatbility of who will be killed next but they are getting carried away. I really hope they don't kill off Glenn and/or Maggie. Glenn is my favorite on the show.

Why people have to keep key points to themselves is so annoying. Michonne should have made the Daryl/Merle connection public, geez, you can still write a good story without this technique. She has to know it's Andrea's old group, tell them she's there.

The 'heroes' do some pretty evil stuff. That cabin scene was just wrong. I get it, the world's in bad shape and people are getting cold, but man, it get's harder to cheer for them every week.

Anyway, just a few nitpicks, I could go on but it is what it is.

I was on the edge on my seat during the experiment, if that zombie had responded to the questions I was ready to pop. And why the frick didn't she tell that idiot all about the CDC and what that guy showed them. Come on, that seems like the logical conversation to have in that scene.

I'm no expert on the reanimation of dead cells or how long it would take a zombie to decompose so my opinion may not be too helpful but really, are you nitpicking about how long it would take a zombie to decompose? It's a show about zombies, that topic alone is currently not overly realistic and you are complaining about how long it takes for the zombie to decompose? How does anyone know how the reanimated cells act? Maybe they breakdown a lot slower becasue they are already dead. If a cell is dead can it die again?

Because they don't die from the bite (unless the zombie rips out a major blood vessel or something). The majority of bites are non-lethal, you die from an infection after the bite. Think about it, zombie mouth is not the cleanest place and an infection would spread easy. I can see your arguement that possibly blood to blood transmission could happen, but I would counter with maybe only zombie saliva carries the infection. Is rabies saliva transmission only? (Not quite sure if it is, I will look after).

Quite possibly yes you were one of the few who thought so. They spent a lot of time alone together so obviously they were friends, but clearly Andrea likes dudes and so does Michonne (her boyfriend was one of the zombie mules she had).

The whole point of this show is that no one is safe in a ZA. I'm not too sure how you can complain about it? Sure you like Glen, but if he died they would introduce new characters and maybe you would like one of them more.

Michonne didn't tell the group about Merle because she is using them to do her dirty work for her. Is the group more likely to go to Woodbury guns blazing if they think randoms took Glen and Maggie vs hey Darryl, your brother took Glen and Maggie? Of course if she tells them it was Merle there will be second thoughts about the motive of Merle, and they would be less likely to believe Michonne. If she tells them Andrea is at Woodbury again it doesn't help her, Woodbury then has Andrea, Merle, Glen, Maggie and that is sure to make Rick and company rethink what Michonne is telling them. She is manipulating them to get what she wants, nothing more nothing less.

Maybe where you are looking at it wrong is the group are not "heros", there are no good guys to cheer for in this show. It is simply about a group of people and how they get along in a ZA, and you are going to have to do some pretty terrible stuff to make it. All of them will become a walker eventually, humanity is doomed.

Even if Andrea told him about the CDC it wouldn't have mattered, Milton (I think that's his name) seems to be in denial about the walkers and that is the whole point. All of Woodbury is in denial about the walkers and how bad they are, they have not been exposed to the horrible things going on in the world so they are ill equiped to deal with the new reality.

Edit: Just looked, rabies is only transmitted through saliva.

[JerzeeGirl]

Re: The news from the CDC - I can't remember but was Andrea there for Rick's revelation of what Jenner told them? I thought he revealed that post-farm when Andrea got separated from the group.....I guess she could've told Milton about the experiment tho.

[Radio]

Jenner was trying to find a cure, not get in touch with the zombies inner person. And yeah she has no knowledge about what Rick said, they were already split when he dropped that bomb.