[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Burning Beard]

CP: Flames need to be more ruthless with management decisions like Tampa and Vegas.

Also CP. How dare the Flames not allow their ex-manager who quit to take all his draft knowledge to another team right before the draft.

[SuperMatt18]

Ashasx isn't Pinder

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames hired Treliving while he was under contract to the Coyotes and would have been working on their draft and privy to the information.

Generally in a situation like this they provide the person with permission to talk to a team - because it's the honorable thing to do. Every team in the league knows that they want to bring the GM in prior to the draft and July 1st. Hell the Flames are probably doing it right now if they are interviewing any assistant GMs for their open role.

If they are concerned about the draft, in the past they have just said "you're not allowed to be part of the draft process" (think that was partially the case in Treliving's first year here).

Edwards is doing this is pure just out of spite to Treliving, has nothing to do with protecting some special draft strategy.

Again we don't know if BT has sought permission to talk to other teams.
Dude could just be chillin'.

[Ashasx]

Pinder has pretty nuanced takes so I can understand why that might throw people for a loop

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Pinder has pretty nuanced takes so I can understand why that might throw people for a loop

my "i'm not ryan pinder tee shirt" is raising a lot of questions about if I'm ryan pinder.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames hired Treliving while he was under contract to the Coyotes and would have been working on their draft and privy to the information.

Generally in a situation like this they provide the person with permission to talk to a team - because it's the honorable thing to do. Every team in the league knows that they want to bring the GM in prior to the draft and July 1st. Hell the Flames are probably doing it right now if they are interviewing any GMs for their open role.

If they are concerned about the draft sometimes they have just said "you're not allowed to be part of the draft process".

Flames doing this is pure just out of spite to Treliving, has nothing to do with protecting some special draft strategy.

I don't see spite, I see an organization protecting their interests after a bad season which could lead to a lot of roster change between now and at the draft. Normally in this situation the GM was fired and didn't quit.

Burke was on record saying he expected to wait till after the draft to hire Treliving. I would be zero surprised if the Kraken and Hurricanes told the Flames to pound sound if they want to interview their assistant GMs.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

CP: Flames need to be more ruthless with management decisions like Tampa and Vegas.

Also CP. How dare the Flames not allow their ex-manager who quit to take all his draft knowledge to another team right before the draft.

Yeah I imagine both opinions exist here. When people do this, do they mean specific posters? Name them then.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't see spite, I see an organization protecting their interests after a bad season which could lead to a lot of roster change between now and at the draft. Normally in this situation the GM was fired and didn't quit.

Burke was on record saying he expected to wait till after the draft to hire Treliving. I would be zero surprised if the Kraken and Hurricanes told the Flames to pound sound if they want to interview their assistant GMs.

yeah, because they're still playing. I bet once their playoffs are over they'd give permission.

[powderjunkie]

This is about as grey an employment/contract issue as there could be.

The question really is, is it reasonable to prevent an individual with an impending expiring contract from interviewing for other positions? Does signing a term contract mean the individual is guaranteed to have an employment gap at the conclusion of the contract barring a renewal?

In nearly any other walk of life, it would certainly seem unreasonable, which goes back to the unenforceability of most NCCs.

Does having a meeting with representatives from another club breach the contract? I would imagine senior hockey people have networking dinners all the time (just like most other industries)...of course near-term employment would not be a focus of those meetings, but I think you could tiptoe during a preliminary meeting in the current situation to keep things technically above board.


Ultimately each party has incentive to manage their own reputation of professionalism. I think it is quite petty, and I'm not really sure what it says about the Flames if they think they can't trust Brad to act in good-faith, despite their desire to continue trusting him with the reins of the org?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah I imagine both opinions exist here. When people do this, do they mean specific posters? Name them then.

You don't think there is any overlap? Ok then.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

yeah, because they're still playing. I bet once their playoffs are over they'd give permission.

Maybe, maybe not. They could say the same thing. Wait till after the draft.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

This is about as grey an employment/contract issue as there could be.

The question really is, is it reasonable to prevent an individual with an impending expiring contract from interviewing for other positions? Does signing a term contract mean the individual is guaranteed to have an employment gap at the conclusion of the contract barring a renewal?

In nearly any other walk of life, it would certainly seem unreasonable, which goes back to the unenforceability of most NCCs.

Does having a meeting with representatives from another club breach the contract? I would imagine senior hockey people have networking dinners all the time (just like most other industries)...of course near-term employment would not be a focus of those meetings, but I think you could tiptoe during a preliminary meeting in the current situation to keep things technically above board.


Ultimately each party has incentive to manage their own reputation of professionalism. I think it is quite petty, and I'm not really sure what it says about the Flames if they think they can't trust Brad to act in good-faith, despite their desire to continue trusting him with the reins of the org?

Its very petty...but they are not 'preventing him from finding other employment.'

Technically...he is still employed and they are continuing to pay him.

If he had 'Quit.' Actually, technically quit, then he could do what he wanted. Which is why I'm more convinced that he was essentially fired.

And now they're playing stupid games.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Do we even know if Treliving has been approached to take another job or anyone has contacted the Flames to talk to him and it was declined.

Looks like a vague statement made to create a story for a non story at this point.

Frank is shameful looking for hits on his website that is probably on its deathbed.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Do we even know if Treliving has been approached to take another job or anyone has contacted the Flames to talk to him and it was declined.

Looks like a vague statement made to create a story for a non story at this point.

Frank is shameful looking for hits on his website that is probably on its deathbed.

TMZ Frank is always looking to drum something up for a few hits.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Also trade implications this draft. Flames could be team looking to really make some moves.

How does Tre being in the interview pool affect that? If anything, having him in a GM chair somewhere means a more likely trade partner.

It's perfectly reasonable for the Flames to demand certain limits or a post July 1 start date, but precluding meetings/interviews is just kinda petty.

Originally Posted by Jiggy

He wouldn't show up to the draft but it doesn't mean he wouldn't be part of their draft meetings. Who would let that leak out if he was?

Anybody at any time for any reason? The reason most likely being spite if/when an individual from that room gets the boot.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think Maloney knew exactly why Treliving didn't want to return (terrible ownership) but would not say something negative about his team at a press conference.

So it's okay for you to speculate on what Maloney knew, but then said Maloney shouldn't speculate on what Treliving was thinking after having a conversation about what he was thinking when he elected not to re-sign?

WTF???

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again we don't know if BT has sought permission to talk to other teams.
Dude could just be chillin'.

Really I'm not sure why he would want the Penguins job. Their current position looks like the Flames will be in about four years and trying to reload and keep the Flames competitive year after year appeared to wear him down. I get that there are only 32 jobs but I don't consider that job overly desirable long term from my vantage point. If the Leafs clean house then I could see that being a position of interest.

[Number 39]

If I’m Treliving, I’m more interested in a potential Leafs GM role opening up than being in Pittsburg. Age of the roster, higher profile etc. If thats the case, the Leafs job isn't even open yet. Much ado about nothing so far IMO.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its very petty...but they are not 'preventing him from finding other employment.'

Technically...he is still employed and they are continuing to pay him.

If he had 'Quit.' Actually, technically quit, then he could do what he wanted. Which is why I'm more convinced that he was essentially fired.

And now they're playing stupid games.

No, he couldn’t. He’s under contract until June 30, 2023.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its very petty...but they are not 'preventing him from finding other employment.'

Technically...he is still employed and they are continuing to pay him.

If he had 'Quit.' Actually, technically quit, then he could do what he wanted. Which is why I'm more convinced that he was essentially fired.

And now they're playing stupid games.

Right, but on July 1 they won't be paying him anymore, and this restriction means that he would be forced to apply for EI. Preventing continuity of employment is the interesting thing here.

Of course the easy answer here is that he could look for work anywhere else in the world except the other 31 NHL clubs, which is probably fair enough, but I think there could still be holes in that logic.