Federal Election Called for Oct 19, 2015

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't get the decriminalize crowd. We want the same number of people to be smoking pot but we don't want society to benefit from it?

Makes 0 sense. Especially with framework now set up by Washington and Colorado.

[rubecube]

Also, why have neither the NDP or the Liberals talked about bringing back the court challenges program? Scrapping that was one of the most egregious attacks on civil rights I've ever seen.

[Frequitude]

Carrying these over from the polling thread.

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I would have voted LP this election, but for the fact that Trudeau is a vapid idiot. Where is Paul Martin when you need him?

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Chances are that this election would have been a different story for me if the Liberals would have elected Marc Garneau in as their leader. But every time I listen to Trudeau, I find that there is little that compels me to respect or believe that he's a leader, or that he knows what he's talking about beyond sound bites..

I feel the same way. Trudeau is just not ready to lead. I honestly wholeheartedly believe that.

Now for some honest inward reflection. Does something sound familiar about that statement? It made me think back to my thoughts on Ignatief that he didn't seem in touch with Canadians enough....or that Dion was a bumbling idiot. Does anything sound familiar about those too?

Could it be that I'm falling victim to the Conservative's core election strategy of defining the image of the opposition before they even have a chance to do it themselves? (Rhetorical question...yes, I probably am). Man is Team Harper ever an election winning machine. Here's a great article on the subject.
http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015...l-win-election

But, but, but...I believe it.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Could it be that I'm falling victim to the Conservative's core election strategy of defining the image of the opposition before they even have a chance to do it themselves? (Rhetorical question...yes, I probably am).

If propaganda didn't work, no one would use it.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't get the decriminalize crowd. We want the same number of people to be smoking pot but we don't want society to benefit from it?

Agreed. Decriminalization seems like just another "medical marijuana"-esque half-measure that doesn't make any sense and provides dubious benefit to society. Let's just stop beating around the bush and legalize and regulate.

[Coach]

^^^ Yeah, I honestly think that's a bunch of BS.

If you like the party's platforms, and they coincide with the direction you believe the country should be taking, what does it matter that the leader is young with feathered hair? I say this as a person who originally did not like Trudeau at all, but the LPC has pulled me away from NDP over the last few weeks.

Let me ask you, what, outside of the conservative campaign ads, makes you believe that he "just isn't ready"?

[polak]

The decriminalization crowd is truly clueless.

Their argument seems to be a mix of "it won't actually create revenue, think about all of the costs of administration and health care" and "the government shouldn't be dealing drugs".

Both, obviously, are out to lunch.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by rubecube

If propaganda didn't work, no one would use it.

It's not propaganda if it's true!

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Let's just stop beating around the bush and legalize and regulate.

Yup. Legalize it, regulate it, tax it.

Between the inevitable sin taxes, corporate tax on vendors and manufacturers, income taxes on workers in the industry, and savings in the Policing/Judicial/Penatentary system it'd be a real boon to all citizens.

I think it's an easy call.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

It's not propaganda if it's true!

But it isn't. I have yet to see Trudeau speak and feel he is "not prepared" or "not ready". I feel in settings where he is ready for the questions, such as debates, he has been the best prepared of the three. I feel off script he is infinitely more personable. That he does not have numbers on the top of his head is fine in my opinion. He doesn't want to lie. He doesn't want to say something off the cuff that is wrong. That's not being "vapid" that's being prudent.

[FlameOn]

CPC has another candidate in hot water. This one for saying that pedophiles should be forcefully castrated and tracked with GPS anklets in Quebec. Party is currently distancing itself from these comments.

The Conservative leadership takes serious distances with the remarks made ​​this week his star candidate in Terrebonne, Michel Surprenant, in an interview with La Presse. Known for its commitment to the fight against pedophiles, candidates expressed support to the chemical or physical castration and installation of GPS bracelets to "stalk" sexual predators.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/el...at-vedette.php

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

It's not propaganda if it's true!

Whether or not someone is "ready" is subjective and completely based in the mind and resolve of Trudeau himself. There is no truth to a statement that he's not ready, because there's no way to actually determine that. It's just lip service to cast doubt on him because he's younger than the usual candidate.

It would be like the Liberals having attack ads like "Harper. He may be good, but he's just a doosh."

He could be a doosh, but what does doosh mean? Isn't it completely subjective depending on who's making the judgment?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

CPC has another candidate in hot water. This one for saying that pedophiles should be forcefully castrated and tracked with GPS anklets in Quebec. Party is currently distancing itself from these comments.

Meh, sounds like a good idea to me.

As a father, if someone were to mess with my little girl, getting forcefully castrated and tracked with GPS anklets would be a mercy compared to what I'd want done.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Carrying these over from the polling thread.

I feel the same way. Trudeau is just not ready to lead. I honestly wholeheartedly believe that.

Now for some honest inward reflection. Does something sound familiar about that statement? It made me think back to my thoughts on Ignatief that he didn't seem in touch with Canadians enough....or that Dion was a bumbling idiot. Does anything sound familiar about those too?

Could it be that I'm falling victim to the Conservative's core election strategy of defining the image of the opposition before they even have a chance to do it themselves? (Rhetorical question...yes, I probably am). Man is Team Harper ever an election winning machine. Here's a great article on the subject.
http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015...l-win-election

But, but, but...I believe it.

The Conservatives are masters at tearing down their opposition. It's why I think the Liberals went with Trudeau this time. It has less to do with policy and more to do with being able to withstand a character assassination. I think he is more of a figurehead and there are people behind the scenes taking care of policy.

Dion was a true centrist and could have been a great PM, but we will never know because the campaign against him had nothing to even do with policy.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by MattyC

It's just lip service to cast doubt on him because he's younger than the usual candidate.

Not even really younger, just looks younger... Justin Trudeau is the same age as Stephan Harper when he became CPC leader (and thus in theorhetical contention for Prime Minister).

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Carrying these over from the polling thread.

I feel the same way. Trudeau is just not ready to lead. I honestly wholeheartedly believe that.

Now for some honest inward reflection. Does something sound familiar about that statement? It made me think back to my thoughts on Ignatief that he didn't seem in touch with Canadians enough....or that Dion was a bumbling idiot. Does anything sound familiar about those too?

Could it be that I'm falling victim to the Conservative's core election strategy of defining the image of the opposition before they even have a chance to do it themselves? (Rhetorical question...yes, I probably am). Man is Team Harper ever an election winning machine. Here's a great article on the subject.
http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015...l-win-election

But, but, but...I believe it.

As much as people say they hate the negativity and attack plan of the Conservatives on Trudeau, it's undeniable that it's worked like a charm. Every time some one mentions a criticism against Trudeau it's always in the vein of "he's not ready". I've seen a tonne of people say they can't stand the adds and then seconds later say "I don't think he's smart enough", etc.,

That being said, I also think the attacks have worked too well and are slowly starting to back fire. The Conservatives set the bar so low that when people see Trudeau in the debates or making stump speeches he is able to overshoot the lowered expectations. I also think that Trudeau in comparison to Ignatief and Dion he has a charisma that is far more forgivable and relatable, which makes him a more attractive option to Scary Eyes Mulcair.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by c.t.ner

As much as people say they hate the negativity and attack plan of the Conservatives on Trudeau, it's undeniable that it's worked like a charm. Every time some one mentions a criticism against Trudeau it's always in the vein of "he's not ready". I've seen a tonne of people say they can't stand the adds and then seconds later say "I don't think he's smart enough", etc.,

That being said, I also think the attacks have worked too well and are slowly starting to back fire. The Conservatives set the bar so low that when people see Trudeau in the debates or making stump speeches he is able to overshoot the lowered expectations. I also think that Trudeau in comparison to Ignatief and Dion he has a charisma that is far more forgivable and relatable, which makes him a more attractive option to Scary Eyes Mulcair.

On another forum, I saw someone say that they didn't like Trudeau because he was arrogant. When asked why she thought that, she said because he submitted his photo with his application.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

On another forum, I saw someone say that they didn't like Trudeau because he was arrogant. When asked why she thought that, she said because he submitted his photo with his application.

....hahaha, I hope she wasn't being serious?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

....hahaha, I hope she wasn't being serious?

I thought that was the norm for the conservative voter base?

[Tron_fdc]

Trudeau is growing on me. He first came across as too young and entirely too fake in some of his speeches, but I'm getting over it. A lot of it has to do with the fact I'm being spoon fed attack ads and I'm a little sick of them, so I've decided to pay more attention and make up my own mind.

I'm not a fan of Harper, and even less a fan of C51 or their stance on terrorism and crime. I like their platform on the economy though.

Mulcair is a loon. There's not much that anyone can do that will convince me he is anything other than a career politician (although Trudeau probably fits that bill as well).

It's really going to come down to my local candidate, and how important things like the economy, infrastructure, crime, terrorism and privacy are to me and how they line up with the parties. One thing is for sure though, this is the most involved I have ever been in a federal election.