[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[CF84]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1699485445862699120


Lindholm is better than Horvat, $8.75m-9m wouldn't be surprising

I wouldn't be very happy with anything above $8.5 x 8. Personally, I think $8 x 8 is what he deserves, but he'll probably get more.



One thing this league's media excels at, is looking at contracts that aren't very good as comparables rather than mistakes.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Horvat is 5 months younger than Lindholm.

I think the point you're trying to make though is Horvat was UFA a season earlier, so this contract covers one year later than the Horvat contract does.

In terms of Lindholm making that comparable though then there is no way he's going to look at it that way.

Also over the last 5 seasons:

Lindholm: 139 goals, 325 points, 369 GP
Horvat: 137 goals, 275 points, 356 GP

72 points per 82 GP for Lindholm, 63 points per 82 GP for Horvat.

Lindholm probably would argue that 9 extra points per season is worth an extra $500k to $1M per season.

Lindholm would also have an argument that he was underused/misused in Carlina or his stats would be even better, whereas Horvat was given lots of time and top end minutes off the bat. Horvat is pretty firmly a 2C whereas Lindholm is a 1C (albeit lower end as discussed).

[TheIronMaiden]

I have no doubts that Lindholm is worth the money and the term, I just don't think it is a direction that the Flames should be moving in.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Horvat is 5 months younger than Lindholm.

I think the point you're trying to make though is Horvat was UFA a season earlier, so this contract covers one year later than the Horvat contract does.

In terms of Lindholm making that comparable though then there is no way he's going to look at it that way.

Also over the last 5 seasons:

Lindholm: 139 goals, 325 points, 369 GP
Horvat: 137 goals, 275 points, 356 GP

72 points per 82 GP for Lindholm, 63 points per 82 GP for Horvat.

Lindholm probably would argue that 9 extra points per season is worth an extra $500k to $1M per season.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1699485445862699120


Lindholm is better than Horvat, $8.75m-9m wouldn't be surprising

Yes, lets emulate one of the worst and stupidest contracts in the league. What can possibly go wrong?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Your Coyotes source is off, Lindholm has never been offered around this summer. The goal has always been to get a deal done.

They said being offered around, as in it is actively happening and not from earlier in the summer. Was surprised to hear that and suggested they may be working off bad information. Response was it was from a conversation just before Labor Day. How fresh is your information? Still hopeful they get a deal done, but this made me a little worried. Flames need Lindholm more than any other player IMO.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yes, lets emulate one of the worst and stupidest contracts in the league. What can possibly go wrong?

The Flames want a #1C. Why would he sign for less than Horvat? I think it’s also easy for him to say he is worth 1.5 to 2 million more than Kadri as well
If the Flames don’t sign Lindholm then I can see them tossing a dumb contract to Schiefiele if he makes it to UFA

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1699485445862699120


Lindholm is better than Horvat, $8.75m-9m wouldn't be surprising

Thought it was going to be 8.85 but now it's 8.75 to 9.00?

[GioforPM]

If Horvat isn't a comparable, PLD/Hertl/Hintz/Aho are all around the same production last year and make in the mid 8s.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why would they start shopping him now right before camp starts unless he just called right after that interview he gave and said I won't sign.

From what everyone is saying is that they haven't negotiated much at all and will hammer it out when he is back.

[TheIronMaiden]

The Flames only have 6 players under contract for more than two years ( counting this year as well):

Huberdeau, Kadri, Coleman, Weegar, Anderson and Markstrom.

Yet that is good for 39.2 Million of cap space.

I would take Lindholm over Kadri any day of the week, but right now it feels like the money for an aging center is already accounted for.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Flames only have 6 players under contract for more than two years ( counting this year as well):

Huberdeau, Kadri, Coleman, Weegar, Anderson and Markstrom.

Yet that is good for 39.2 Million of cap space.

I would take Lindholm over Kadri any day of the week, but right now it feels like the money for an aging center is already accounted for.

Without bothering to look, don't 6 players from almost every team account for that kind of cap hit?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Without bothering to look, don't 6 players from almost every team account for that kind of cap hit?

Sure, but you would presume that on good teams those 6 players account for the list of biggest contributors.

Two players from the list are good value.
Andersson and Weegar.

The jury is sill out of Huberdeau.

Kadri and Coleman are over paid for what the bring to the table

Markstrom is looking like a future buyout unless big changes happen.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Sure, but you would presume that on good teams those 6 players account for the list of biggest contributors.

Two players from the list are good value.
Andersson and Weegar.

The jury is sill out of Huberdeau.

Kadri and Coleman are over paid for what the bring to the table

Markstrom is looking like a future buyout unless big changes happen.

With Coleman not so sure he's over paid.

138th in salary for forwards and 209th for points per 60 at 5 on 5. That's 0.43 P60 vs the 138th guy at 0.52 P60, so a difference of 7 5 on 5 points in a full season.

Add in ability to play a shut down role against top opposition, kill penalties, and good in the room and I'm not sure there's a big deficit there.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Thought it was going to be 8.85 but now it's 8.75 to 9.00?

Horvat's contract actually has an $8.5MM AAV, not 8.85.

Likely a typo in the tweet.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Bingo

With Coleman not so sure he's over paid.

138th in salary for forwards and 209th for points per 60 at 5 on 5. That's 0.43 P60 vs the 138th guy at 0.52 P60, so a difference of 7 5 on 5 points in a full season.

Add in ability to play a shut down role against top opposition, kill penalties, and good in the room and I'm not sure there's a big deficit there.

I think Coleman has been great value to date, but it's hard to argue his contract is future proof.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yes, let’s emulate one of the worst and stupidest contracts in the league. What can possibly go wrong?

8x$9M for Lindholm is also only $500k more than the best value contract in the league, Leon Draisaitl.

It’s all in how you want to look at it.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

With Coleman not so sure he's over paid.

138th in salary for forwards and 209th for points per 60 at 5 on 5. That's 0.43 P60 vs the 138th guy at 0.52 P60, so a difference of 7 5 on 5 points in a full season.

Add in ability to play a shut down role against top opposition, kill penalties, and good in the room and I'm not sure there's a big deficit there.

Coleman brings value to the Flames, but that's not how I would evaluate a player being overpaid in a capped out league.

Would you be able to trade Coleman without retaining salary for FC this offseason? I don't think you could because of the length of his salary, his age, and his production.

The same way I'm pretty sure that if Coleman was a UFA this offseason he wouldn't get a $4.9M contract.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yes, lets emulate one of the worst and stupidest contracts in the league. What can possibly go wrong?

We're signing Darnell Nurse?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I think Coleman has been great value to date, but it's hard to argue his contract is future proof.

Time will certainly tell.

But with the cap going up, and his overall play not as exposed to erosion as a speedy scoring type it may hold up fine.