Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

When was exploitation eradicated?



One more time, in English this time please.

Well i guess if you modify the definition it hasn't.

I would also guess that if you polled the majority of his employees they wouldn't draw that conclusion.

I am sure you are smart enought to realize a typo and replace a t with an n, actually better yet lets run that statement through AI see what it comes up.

Well, he employs far more people than a single person spending their government assistance at Walmart.

Care the answer the question or keep dancing around with strawmen as per your usual fare

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by redforever

Have you seen how many kids, some as young as 2, are wearing glasses? My grandson has been wearing glasses since he was 12 years of age. It is not a problem of not taking care of his eyes. He is near sighted.

Probably from staring at screens. That’s when my eyes really started to go.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Well i guess if you modify the definition it hasn't.

What was it defined as before?

I would also guess that if you polled the majority of his employees they wouldn't draw that conclusion.

Including the ones he fires for even talking about unionizing?

I am sure you are smart enought to realize a typo and replace a t with an n, actually better yet lets run that statement through AI see what it comes up.

Nah, AI is for the weak.

Care the answer the question or keep dancing around with strawmen as per your usual fare

He makes none of his money without his workers, so your question is flawed.

[Fuzz]

This thread is a few years old and the common theme is that you are overworked and underplayed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskEngineer..._tesla_really/

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This thread is a few years old and the common theme is that you are overworked and underplayed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskEngineer..._tesla_really/

lol under paid? Did you ready any of this ####

Would have a $6M stock package as of today had I stayed. Whomp whomp.

My stock anecdote should give you pause, because in general (but not always) Tesla pays below market for most experience levels. I doubled by compensation going to FAANG. That was without the absurd stock growth. With the stock growth what I actually did was cut my compensation to 20% of what I'd have made at Tesla. Assuming the stock stays up of course.

Compensation is more than just salary.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Including the ones he fires for even talking about unionizing?

For most professional jobs, especially in software engineering unionizing would be a massive step backwards.

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

He makes none of his money without his workers, so your question is flawed.

Chicken or the egg brah

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

lol under paid? Did you ready any of this ####

Compensation is more than just salary.

Thanks pops. From 2021 until Musk bought the presidency there was no significant gain in share value with no dividends. That guy was an extreme example with good timing if he had kept them, but had no clue the best thing to do with them because no one can see the future, and Tesla almost collapsed, if you believe what Musk says. Which you can't, because he lies about everything.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Thanks pops. From 2021 until Musk bought the presidency there was no significant gain in share value with no dividends. That guy was an extreme example with good timing if he had kept them, but had no clue the best thing to do with them because no one can see the future, and Tesla almost collapsed, if you believe what Musk says. Which you can't, because he lies about everything.

Well at least you two have something in common.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Well at least you two have something in common.

Solid burn, torch man.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Solid burn, torch man.

Take L Pickles.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

For most professional jobs, especially in software engineering unionizing would be a massive step backwards.

All available data on the matter suggests otherwise but I’m sure you have some hilarious rationale for why that doesn’t matter.

Chicken or the egg brah

Not really.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

All available data on the matter suggests otherwise but I’m sure you have some hilarious rationale for why that doesn’t matter.



Not really.

Post the data bro or take the L

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Post the data bro

Here’s one piece of data, which by the way is one more than you posted to support your absurd claim.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1410013401

And yes, I am just posting the one in the hopes that you keep rambling.

Looking forward to any potential canned response you come back with.

or take the L

You say that so often that I’m starting to think you’re saying it while wearing ruby red slippers and clicking your heels together 3 times in a desperate attempt to make it come true.

[undercoverbrother]

MelBridgeman is an odd dude

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

lol "failed".

Answer me this, how many low income people does it take with goverment handouts in hand to match the economic output of say, someone like Elon Musk? Remember Musk not only is generating wealth for himself that has allowed to him start and invest in many many busness that have paid billions in taxes, that have provided hundred of thousands of jobs over time, which generated billions in payroll tax and the success of these busines has generated wealth for RRSP, TFSA, Pension Funds ect.

How many goverment funded consumers would it take to match his contribution to the economy, millions of people?

How many?

I'm curious, because I've seen this multiple times. Do you honestly believe that anybody making less than you is taking government handouts? Like, literally anybody struggling is a drain on the public fund?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Do you honestly believe that anybody making less than you is taking government handouts? Like, literally anybody struggling is a drain on the public fund?

Again you are moving the goalpost for some reason? I never said anyone making less is taking goverment handouts.

It was a hypothetical based on the notion that when the goverment gives money to low income people they spend it, that money could be in the form of tax breaks, rebates, UBI ect..I am merely questioning, not if there is a positive impact on the economy but how big that impact is compared to someone like Elon Musk over the span of time.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Again you are moving the goalpost for some reason? I never said anyone making less is taking goverment handouts.

It was a hypothetical based on the notion that when the goverment gives money to low income people they spend it, that money could be in the form of tax breaks, rebates, UBI ect..I am merely questioning, not if there is a positive impact on the economy but how big that impact is compared to someone like Elon Musk over the span of time.

Here's a hypothetical for you: let's assume, for the sake of this argument, that if the state does not tax Elon Musk (or substantially reduces his tax burden), he will spend more money on cocaine, underaged prostitutes, reptillian skin care products, and Leer jets, and that the economic benefits to that spending are greater than poor people spending their money on food and clothing.

Would those facts justify, in your mind, making that policy choice?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Here's a hypothetical for you: let's assume, for the sake of this argument, that if the state does not tax Elon Musk (or substantially reduces his tax burden), he will spend more money on cocaine, underaged prostitutes, reptillian skin care products, and Leer jets, and that the economic benefits to that spending are greater than poor people spending their money on food and clothing.

Would those facts justify, in your mind, making that policy choice?

That is a highly exaggerated hypothetical. Real-world policy decisions aren’t made based on the assumption that billionaires will necessarily waste their wealth on harmful or frivolous pursuits. That is more likely to happen with the low income folk (very very very very few of them, very few of anyone).

Taxing unrealized gains will trickle down to your average person who isnt "rich".

Stocks would have to be sold, which could potentialy devalue the stock and hurt other people, it's not worth the risk because it will hurt more than just the billioanire potentially

If you want to reduce wealth, make sure goverment isn't restricting competition?

Whether it's good policy or not, which is not my point here, but the US and Canada putting tarrifs on Chinese EVs, could of reduced his wealth as it could of introduced a cheaper alternative (not saying thats good) and created more competition, which in turn could of forced Tesla to make cars for that market.

At the end of the day the system is the way it is in part to policy by all levels and all stripes of goverments.

So taxation isn't the only answer.

[Fuzz]

Did you know Elon donates $112 million to save himself 2 billion in taxes that could go to actually helping people?

https://www.blackenterprise.com/elon...-m-save-taxes/


Who does he donate to? The Musk Fund. Perhaps the worst charity in America by the effect it has on actually supporting anything useful.


Bootlick harder.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

They take things like GST, property tax, carbon tax, etc into consideration.

They include a lot more than that, some which is obviously included just to stretch the number. These include CPP deductions (by no measure is this a tax), all corporate taxes, and all resource royalties. The latter two cannot be wholly attributed to consumers because we are an export economy. For instance, royalties paid on oil or gas that's extracted and then exported are in no way paid for by Canadians, but they're included as part of the tax burden.