2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If they can't get Hall, and they can't acquire a decent top 6 center, then they really need to think about doing a major retool before it's too late.

Completely agree with this, just had the same conversation with a co-worker today.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If they can't get Hall, and they can't acquire a decent top 6 center, then they really need to think about doing a major retool before it's too late.

If the Flames can't snag Hall, then maybe they look at one of the other wingers available. I wouldn't be disappointed if they snagged Hoffman or Dadonov as a fall back, then still traded Gaudreau away to fill other gaps. Just means Tkachuk gets promoted to the top line instead of being second fiddle to Hall, and Dadonov or Hoffman is the 2nd line LW.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

If the Flames can't snag Hall, then maybe they look at one of the other wingers available. I wouldn't be disappointed if they snagged Hoffman or Dadonov as a fall back, then still traded Gaudreau away to fill other gaps. Just means Tkachuk gets promoted to the top line instead of being second fiddle to Hall, and Dadonov or Hoffman is the 2nd line LW.

I'm completely done spending UFA dollars on middle tier players. It doesn't work.

Hall? I'm in.

That top tier of player just ages differently. The drop off they experience generally isn't as severe. So while the risk of them being overpaid in the later years of the contract is there, they'll still be effective NHL players - while players who aren't at that level will just fall off a damn cliff and be nothing but an anchor that you can't win with. Hoffman and Dadonov are also both older than Hall, so while their goal scoring ability is appealing I think I've just hit this stage as a fan that anyone in that age range/tier of player is a solid "no" from me.

For me this off-season is all about Hall, or all about staying the hell out of free agency.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by New Era

If the Flames can't snag Hall, then maybe they look at one of the other wingers available. I wouldn't be disappointed if they snagged Hoffman or Dadonov as a fall back, then still traded Gaudreau away to fill other gaps. Just means Tkachuk gets promoted to the top line instead of being second fiddle to Hall, and Dadonov or Hoffman is the 2nd line LW.

Yeah, those type of UFAs make me nervous. Especially after the Neal fiasco. Guy had like umpteen 20+ goal seasons and wasn't quite 30, and just fell apart.

[mrdonkey]

It's not often we hear that top tier players like Hall are even thinking about Calgary as a potential destination. Those are the kinds of opportunities small markets can't afford to miss, especially middling ones in need of a shake up.

I agree that if Hall is off the table, stay the hell out of free agency. Bite the bullet and rebuild over the next two years instead.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gaudreau would have an easier time in the playoffs if he wasn't the only player driving offence. In game 5 vs. the Avs I saw him busting his ass while most of the team was floating.

No one questions Johnny’s desire.

I’m just not sure he has the “ability” to raise his level of play when the going gets tough.

Some players are born with it. Some learn it.

And some never get it.

His lack of physical stature might hinder him a lot come playoff time.


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[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Career numbers? Ability to stay healthy? On ice vision and hockey IQ? Are you really saying you would prefer Taylor Hall to Johnny Gaudreau? I would bet 31 GM's would disagree with you.

Meaningless.

No way, whatsoever, for you to pretend to know this. Until JG shows up in the playoffs and shows he can play a ‘mans game’, I disagree.

Nice hot take Francis.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Meaningless.

No way, whatsoever, for you to pretend to know this. Until JG shows up in the playoffs and shows he can play a ‘mans game’, I disagree.

Nice hot take Francis.

Yeah yeah, Kessel and O'Reilly can't win either

[ricardodw]

The Flames should go all in on Hall but only IF they want to continue the Gio tradition/legacy of not playing any meaningful hockey.

The Flames went all in on Ollie Jokinen 6 playoff games 1231 regular season games.

Hall has played in 5 playoff games and 627 regular season games.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames should go all in on Hall but only IF they want to continue the Gio tradition/legacy of not playing any meaningful hockey.

The Flames went all in on Ollie Jokinen 6 playoff games 1231 regular season games.

Hall has played in 5 playoff games and 627 regular season games.

Ollie Jokinen was the Flames best forward in his one playoff appearance

[MrMike]

There were two or three opportunities in the game vs Edmonton where a one timer was missed, whiffed, or sent wide. By players such as Mangi, Dube, Bennett.

Hall would have scored 2 of those 3 with his shot and accuracy/release.

It's not Halls fault he was drafted by Edmonton, then traded to the awful Devils.

He willed the Devils to the playoffs and was MVP of the league.

I would welcome Hall in a Flames jersey any day.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames should go all in on Hall but only IF they want to continue the Gio tradition/legacy of not playing any meaningful hockey.

The Flames went all in on Ollie Jokinen 6 playoff games 1231 regular season games.

Hall has played in 5 playoff games and 627 regular season games.

Surprised you didn't use Bouwmeester in the same way. Oh but he went to a decent team and won a cup. Doesn't follow the same narrative does it?

Maybe just maybe it isn't the players fault when drafted/traded to only awful teams.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah yeah, Kessel and O'Reilly can't win either

Would they have won in their roles with their previous teams?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah yeah, Kessel and O'Reilly can't win either

Did not say a thing about winning.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames should go all in on Hall but only IF they want to continue the Gio tradition/legacy of not playing any meaningful hockey.

The Flames went all in on Ollie Jokinen 6 playoff games 1231 regular season games.

Hall has played in 5 playoff games and 627 regular season games.

The sky is blue.

I’m a banana.

Unrelated things are unrelated.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames should go all in on Hall but only IF they want to continue the Gio tradition/legacy of not playing any meaningful hockey.

The Flames went all in on Ollie Jokinen 6 playoff games 1231 regular season games.

Hall has played in 5 playoff games and 627 regular season games.

Same goes for Jay Bouwmeester. Oh wait, he won a cup.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames should go all in on Hall but only IF they want to continue the Gio tradition/legacy of not playing any meaningful hockey.

The Flames went all in on Ollie Jokinen 6 playoff games 1231 regular season games.

Hall has played in 5 playoff games and 627 regular season games.

It is a team game...not golfing, not bowling, not tennis, and not archery.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The sky is blue.

The water is blue.

I’m a banana.

Unrelated things are unrelated.

I dunno, he's got a point. I mean the Blues really messed up when they got Schenn and ROR in back to back off seasons. Those guys hadn't done much in the playoffs either I don't how they ever expected to take the next step adding a couple of unproven playoff performers like that.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I dunno, he's got a point. I mean the Blues really messed up when they got Schenn and ROR in back to back off seasons. Those guys hadn't done much in the playoffs either I don't how they ever expected to take the next step adding a couple of unproven playoff performers like that.

Thats the thing of it all. Trading is just like hitting the slots, a total gamble. Its all best guesswork as to how players mesh or find their footing on a team.

[dammage79]

Here's what I know and most of us know. Treliving is pretty adept at asset management. Forest through the trees type stuff.

Yeah one could argue the Brouwers or Neal's of it all but those were positional needs being filled. Still can't fault him for Neal, thats all on Neal for immediately failing at life.

But in the guts of it and thinking term and dollars and contract stuff, hes really good at managing that. No one really considered the asset management angle of the Hamilton trade when it went down. But when it came to light all the factors, Tree hit the nail on the head.

What I am saying is, when we are wading into big trade waters , I dont really want anyone else at the helm but Tree.