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Old 10-01-2015, 05:56 PM   #2221
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Not sure. I do know that my father in law has a safe full of handguns and he lives in that state. It's not open carry, but he carries a piece on him holstered when patrolling his property or cutting his lawn.
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Old 10-01-2015, 06:20 PM   #2222
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Obama's speech to this is great and so true.

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"But as I have said before, our thoughts and prayers are not enough,"

U.S. "is the only advanced country on Earth that sees these kind of mass shootings every few months."

"Somehow this has become routine," he said.

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http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-...uring-rampage/
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Old 10-01-2015, 06:46 PM   #2224
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They have to do their part to ensure there will be a next time. Meanwhile, 300 million of us are glued to the TV, watching the coverage and buying the products they peddle in between their "journalistic" reports.
You really want to blame the media for this? The media just told me that the Sheriff in the town where this took place is against background checks at gun shows. He "wrote a letter". People like that might be to blame too.
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Old 10-01-2015, 07:45 PM   #2226
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10 Things Harder To Do In America Than Buy A Gun

1. Adopt a pet. Sure, you can buy a puppy from a backyard breeder, but if you want to be responsible and cruelty-free, you’ll go to a shelter that requires fees, licensing, and in some cases, a background check and home visit. An educated, gainfully employed woman I know was heartbroken when she was turned down to be a primary caregiver for a rabbit after her mother mentioned they would need a cage to take their new pet home. Rabbit adoption can be an elaborate process involving a lengthy application, a home inspection both before and after the adoption, and a promise that someone will be available to play with the rabbit 8 hours a day, as well as bunny-proof the apartment.

2. Volunteer as a “cookie mom” in your 6-year-old daughter’s classroom. School districts nationwide are requiring background checks for volunteers.

3. Become a massage therapist. Most states require a state-issued license, which involves hundreds of hours of training.

4. Ride a jet ski. Requires a boating license.

5. Allow your children to play unsupervised in your backyard. CPS was called by neighbors when an 11-year-old boy was allowed to play by himself in the back yard for 90 minutes. Unfortunately, this is not the only case of “Mrs. Kravitz syndrome” in the news lately.
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Allegedly the shooter is 26 year old Chris Harper Mercer. Of course they have already found some online profiles, and he apparently is a big IRA fan and listed "organized religion" as one of his dislikes on a profile. So that would explain asking people what their religion was.
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Wish we wouldn't use the names of these dirtbags. Gives them what they want.

Should just refer to the shooter as Oxygen Thief.
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Old 10-01-2015, 08:38 PM   #2229
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Not related - there was a B&E up where I live the other day, and 30 rifles were stolen. Now they're in the hands of criminals. Why did that house need 30 rifles in the first place? Seems like you can ask the same question just on a much larger scale in the USA.
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:26 PM   #2231
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From 5:20 of that video...

"We know that states, with the most gun laws, tend to have the fewest gun deaths."

No, not even close.
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From 5:20 of that video...

"We know that states, with the most gun laws, tend to have the fewest gun deaths."

No, not even close.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/533...related-deaths
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From 5:20 of that video...

"We know that states, with the most gun laws, tend to have the fewest gun deaths."

No, not even close.
Really? Have anything to back that up? Top 10 states for gun violence have the most lax laws for purchasing a gun. This study seems to support the claim. Do you have anything that can counter these numbers?

I will say this. Guns don't kill people. Irresponsible people with guns kill people. Poor restrictions on access to guns allows irresponsible people access to guns and allow them to kill people. Gun control limits this access. Australia is the best example of gun control laws having a positive impact on reducing gun violence. Keep the guns out of the hands of people and gun violence will disappear. Since doing so, Australia has not fallen into a totalitarian state where freedoms have been restricted and liberty lost.
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Per CNN:

Two types of US citizen deaths from 2004 - 2013

Gun violence on American soil = 316,545

Terrorism US soil and abroad = 313

Good thing the americans are spending $billions on terrorism

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"We know that states, with the most gun laws, tend to have the fewest gun deaths."

No, not even close.
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294 mass shootings in the U.S. this year (so far).

What do you even say anymore.
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Old 10-02-2015, 05:23 AM   #2237
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294 mass shootings in the U.S. this year (so far).

What do you even say anymore.
Obviously more guns. Got to go for the high score.

Where there are more guns, more gun violence follows. That makes sense because if something is easily available it will be used.

An individual might be able to be a responsible gun owner. That is not the problem. People as a whole have a segment of it that are an unstable bunch that are prone to lashing out. That's why you see 294 mass shootings already this year. There is no easy cheap way to weed out the people that are prone to lashing out.

There are different ways you can tackle the problem.

1) Don't touch anything with guns themselves, but eliminate the ability to purchase ammunition. The only place you can buy it is at a shooting range and it is only legal to have ammo at shooting ranges. You can keep your precious guns all you want, but you eliminate the dangers of having them in the wrong hands because it would be illegal to have ammo outside of sanctioned areas.

2) Ban all new sales of guns period. All guns out there as they are now are legal, but no new guns can produced. That will eventually eliminate a large swath of the numbers of guns.

3) Make everyone take the equivalency of a drivers test in order to be able to get a license to hold a fire arm. In addition add background checks for everyone.

4) The most difficult one, a constitutional amendment repealing the 2nd amendment.
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At the end of his speech Obama made a point that was true. If they want the change that they want they will have to take a look at changing the laws. Which is what has been debated to death here.

Such a senseless loss of life.
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Also last night, 3 dead, 1 critical in Florida

But I'm sure the shooter's estranged wife and the so-called "innocent bystanders" that were shot were actually secret spies for the English King. Praise this man's heroism for protecting Murica from tyranny!
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The thing that strikes me is there is an different attitude in the U.S. as to what is justifiable. I have talked to several americans through the years and when we discuss guns they often tell me how many times they would have been in their rights to shoot someone.

None of them had, but the fact they felt they could have and it would have been justified is what gets me. In the situations I heard about, the offender they were talking about didn't even have a gun. I've been in a couple of situations that would have made the cut in the U.S., I'm sure many of us have, but in Canada we just don't think of using a gun to resolve a situation.

This is why I beleive gun control in the U.S. is such a difficult thing to reign in, it's just engrained in so many people that it's an acceptable way to end a conflict.

I beleive there are times when a gun could save your life, I'm all for responsible ownership, but I just don't see the U.S. ever getting out of this mess they have.
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