[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

If calgary fired Treliving, then he should be allowed to talk to others. But he quit. Team doesn't owe him this nor should they do it out of compassion.

They should do it because they should be seeking to be seen as an organization that treats their staff, both current and former, as well as any in the league.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He does his daily podcasts with Oilers media like Gregor and Yaremchuk who hate the Flames. I don’t think Serivali hates the flames but could have some bias toward them. I think his takes on the organization have been poor since the season ended. He is criticizing them for doing due diligence on GM candidates as opposed to gifting the job to Conroy. Such a weird take as most organizations post and interview for jobs when available and open those to both internal and external candidates.

Seravalli is on either 960 or Barn Burner almost every day of the week. He has no bias against this organization.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

They should do it because they should be seeking to be seen as an organization that treats their staff, both current and former, as well as any in the league.

Show the multiple examples of GMs quitting and then getting permission to seek jobs before their contract is up.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Show the multiple examples of GMs quitting and then getting permission to seek jobs before their contract is up.

It's such an unusual situation that I can't even recall another, but I don't see how that precludes the Flames from granting Treliving this permission after what they've called a mutual parting.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Show the multiple examples of GMs quitting and then getting permission to seek jobs before their contract is up.

Can that GM example also be one who specifically asked for autonomy in the role that hasn’t had that historically? So well known that he was asked about it when he was hired? And then had that taken away in regards to coaching? The guy left because he wasn’t given the job he was promised. It’s not like he just “quit” to quit.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Just Seravalli going after the Flames! Once again! What does this mad man have against this organization?

I would argue he's loving the Flames right now as have they have provided him a lot of insider news over the last year. Well run operations that stay out of the news don't give these guys much to work with.

[SuperMatt18]

Honestly just petty by Edwards and the Flames.

Almost just shows Treliving is probably right to walk away.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's such an unusual situation that I can't even recall another, but I don't see how that precludes the Flames from granting Treliving this permission after what they've called a mutual parting.

Totally hear you. It would be a nice gesture that has a signal to other incoming candidates.

But everyone wants to be a GM. No candidate that we want and that wants us is eschewing the Flames because we didn't let Tre find a job before July 1.

I guess there also could be that possibility that he quit with a landing spot in mind, maybe talked to them off the record, could help them with draft, etc. I don't think this is true, but it probably should be factored in.

Goodwill from letting Tre talk to other teams < risk he helps other team using scouting knowledge even inadvertently.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

We have a thread on this forum, in it's tenth version, called 'Edmonton is no Good' with over 5000 posts in its current iteration.

As hardcore fans, if we can take joy in the failures of a rival, I don't understand how you could not feel shame for the failures of your own.

We do but some of us rail on it at every turn and some of us don't.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Totally hear you. It would be a nice gesture that has a signal to other incoming candidates.

But everyone wants to be a GM. No candidate that we want and that wants us is eschewing the Flames because we didn't let Tre find a job before July 1.

I guess there also could be that possibility that he quit with a landing spot in mind, maybe talked to them off the record, could help them with draft, etc. I don't think this is true, but it probably should be factored in.

Goodwill from letting Tre talk to other teams < risk he helps other team using scouting knowledge even inadvertently.

But there's also nothing to gain from preventing him from doing so. No team is going to want to steal the Flames draft board lol.

If it's true, it's petty. I doubt this is true though.

[PeteMoss]

I'm far from a pro-ownership guy, but this is fine. He's under contract, he's getting paid. He was involved with the draft prep for this team. It makes perfect sense to not let him interview with other teams. If he was to get a job, its in a position where he can directly harm the Flames. I'm sure if he wanted to get a job at Boston Pizza they wouldn't stop that. Its a competitive business - you don't just hand an advantage to some other team to be a pal.

If this gets you riled up, you should prepare for the days after the draft when they fire a bunch of scouts if they hire an outsider GM.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would argue he's loving the Flames right now as have they have provided him a lot of insider news over the last year. Well run operations that stay out of the news don't give these guys much to work with.

It’s not quite that neat & tidy. Sometimes you want or need information leaked. At the same time you don’t want internal knowledge flowing like a leaky faucet.

People like Frank are employed to foster & develop interest interest in the product.

It is a two way street. Frank tweeting this does Brad a solid & is currency for past or future intelligence.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Can that GM example also be one who specifically asked for autonomy in the role that hasn’t had that historically? So well known that he was asked about it when he was hired? And then had that taken away in regards to coaching? The guy left because he wasn’t given the job he was promised. It’s not like he just “quit” to quit.

Yes, those are issues with the team and ownership but they don’t really flow into this one. The guy quit, ‘mutual’ spin was the Flames trying to save face and in a competitive industry where every team is trying to gain any advantage. I work in a competitive market as well, so I don’t find this odd at all.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly just petty by Edwards and the Flames.

Actually, it's SOP. If you have a contract with a non-compete in it you are locked out from looking for jobs in your industry without expressed written permission. Unless Treliving has requested that permission in writing the Flames have zero obligation to do anything except allow the contract with the non-compete to expire.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly just petty by Edwards and the Flames.

Almost just shows Treliving is probably right to walk away.

I really don't think there's much here. Why give a leg up to your competition if he's actively seeking a role already?

This means he can't be involved in another teams draft this year, and is the reason team's will chose to set the expiry date after the entry draft.

[Fuzzy14]

My take, for what it's worth:

Flames fire him? Let him talk.
Flames don't fire him, but inform they won't be renewing him? Probably let him talk to teams, with contractual language of no involvement in the draft.
Treliving decides to not extend as is the case here (they called it mutual, but cmon now): He can sit and wait until June 30.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy14

My take, for what it's worth:

Flames fire him? Let him talk.
Flames don't fire him, but inform they won't be renewing him? Probably let him talk to teams, with contractual language of no involvement in the draft.
Treliving decides to not extend as is the case here (they called it mutual, but cmon now): He can sit and wait until June 30.

If he was actively still working for the Flames, sure it makes sense that he can't talk to other teams, but he's not. He's been replaced by an interim GM/POHO, he's done. Let him start moving on.
Reeks of Murray Edwards trying to get back at him. Garbage.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Actually, it's SOP. If you have a contract with a non-compete in it you are locked out from looking for jobs in your industry without expressed written permission. Unless Treliving has requested that permission in writing the Flames have zero obligation to do anything except allow the contract with the non-compete to expire.

It may be SOP but industry wide non-competes are almost never enforced by the courts. You have a right to make a living and seek employment and non-competes trample all over those so your non-compete better be very specific on what's not allowed and should be compensating them for it.

Is an NHL GM a special case? Maybe, but it's an uphill battle and 99% of non-competes aren't worth the paper they're written on.

[AustinL_NHL]

Anyone who thinks the Flames wanting Treliving to fulfill his contract before talking to other teams are just looking for anything to bitch about on this fine Thursday

Absolute nothing-burger

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Torture

It may be SOP but industry wide non-competes are almost never enforced by the courts. You have a right to make a living and seek employment and non-competes trample all over those so your non-compete better be very specific on what's not allowed and should be compensating them for it.

Is an NHL GM a special case? Maybe, but it's an uphill battle and 99% of non-competes aren't worth the paper they're written on.

This. Courts have ruled over and over again that, in general, people have the right to earn a living.